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[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 62 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Can't say I blame them at this point but the consequences of that are probably going to suck for them.

[–] TheHottub@lemmy.world 33 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Paycheck to paycheck and your payment is more than you spend on groceries. And your loan has doubled in size because of interest. And will continue to grow. Meanwhile your credit is garbage and you can't get ahead. Bad credit? Crappy car, needs fixes. Higher interest rate. I'm 41 and trying so hard to get ahead of it.

At the very least cap the interest for people. Or how about no interest. You can't chip away at something that's growing faster than you can swing at it.

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

Best we can do is crippling debt in a dystopian shitscape to pay off the degree they lied to you about being able to get a good enough job to raise a family because you got that degree, taking on tens, maybe hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt.

[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

I agree with you here. I've always said, if you're putting in work to get an education, the interest on the loan should be zero. Yes, zero.

Over time it means the lender (read: govt) loses money, so what. The increased tax income for an educated employee more than accounts for that. Even if it didn't, what's the downside to an educated workforce for anyone but those in power?

Education should not be a for-profit scheme.

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The government has no problem giving away 0% interest loans, often with principal forgiveness, for tens of millions of dollars to fund infrastructure. How is university not a similar investment in the future?

[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah, in fact it's almost trivial to argue that education in something you're interested in results in better/more efficient infrastructure.

As an example, California uses loops of wire embedded in the asphalt at lights to sense if cars are there, meaning less delays for people because no light is green at an empty direction of an intersection.

Though that's only mildly high tech, some educated electrical engineers had to come up with it, and it makes life better for us all, saving gas, and reduces CO2 for idling cars as well.

[–] init@lemmy.ml 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Counter argument--having bad credit is also meaningless if you can never afford to purchase something like a house, and you're ok with purchasing used vehicles and renting from smaller landlords and not property management companies.

[–] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Credit is a fucking scam to begin with. It's insane what companies like Equifax have gotten away with.

[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's a far less bad scam than the previous version of be a white guy that's friends with the local bank.

[–] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago

No. At least under that shit system your information wasn't hacked and you didn't have zombie debt.

[–] init@lemmy.ml 9 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Wholeheartedly agree. And then we go around panicking about the authoritarian social credit shit China has. Mfer we've have social credit for decades

[–] Poxlox@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago

Respectfully, that is apples to oranges. You are unable to function as a regular person in China with bad social credit. Here you can't get loans and sometimes your employer sees.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

In my state all the lenders came to the legislature several years back and make a big push to try and come up with a new type of credit score that was primarily based on driving history. Apparently, driving history is like a way more accurate predictor of your credit worthiness than your financial history. So I guess my point is that they will scrape data anyway then can get it and use it to judge how much you have to pay to access money.

[–] guacupado@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Comparing the American president to a cartoon character doesn't stop you from being able to fly. You have no idea how deep China's social credit system goes if you think it's at all comparable to just getting higher interest rates.

[–] Ookami38@sh.itjust.works 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The consequences already suck. It's damned if you do damned if you don't. At least I can keep (some of) my money this way.

[–] squirmy_wormy@lemmy.world 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Do you though? Don't they garnish wages over it?

[–] prole@sh.itjust.works 2 points 9 months ago

Yeah, there's going to be a whole lot of upset people when the government inevitably starts garnishing their wages.

[–] citrusface@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Yes they certainly do, ask me how I know.

[–] maness300@lemmy.world 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Definitely encourages people to work under the table.

[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago

Part of the reason there's such a push for cashless payment.