144
this post was submitted on 30 Jan 2024
144 points (99.3% liked)
Privacy
31278 readers
518 users here now
A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.
Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.
In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.
Some Rules
- Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn't great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post
- Don't promote proprietary software
- Try to keep things on topic
- If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered
- Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience
- Be nice :)
Related communities
Chat rooms
-
[Matrix/Element]Dead
much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)
founded 4 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
ToS not comprehensible by the general public shouldn't be enforcable. They should be forced to have a simplified part and a jurist part.
Incomprehensible/overcomplicated ToS already get declared as void every now and then by a competent court, so they aren't really enforceable.
This will never work. Most of the time they are this complicated to cover any potential loopholes from every angle and point of view.
Offering a simplified version will just lead to some idiot exploiting a loophole that doesn't exist in the juristic version and once that case goes to court we have the issue of what version counts for the average consumer.
If we preface this by saying only the juristic one is legally binding and you have to read it either way, then the simplified one lost its purpose.
Who is the simplified version even meant for? Pretty much no one reads ToS, the only ones doing so will have some kind of business relations. Be it the ToS of their Software or their supplier, they will need the juristic version either way.
Besides all that, most Software ToS are at least comprehensible if you take a few seconds to think about what you read.
This is already done in other areas. In many places each bank offering has a single digit risk score. It's based on your exposure and how volatile the instruments it's investing in are. Savings account will be 1, stock market closer to 10. You're signing really complex contract with the bank but the risk can be objectively verified. Same could be done for ToS.
Aren't things Negotiable? Could we have a way to Negotiate the terms. That or couldn't we place a terms within the platform being used that by them transmit data weshared they now agree to our terms. So for outlook put in Signature by transmitting this email on my behalf you agree to the following terms. Kind of use ToS against them a little. Gotta be a way for people to overcome something placed on them that isnt spelled out in very plain english, that there was no real proof they as the individual signed off on it wasn't a witnessed agreement. They weren't counciled to seek legal advice etc.