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I am insanely interested but the apple ecosystem sucks. I use a MacBook for work because it's that or Windows, but good lord do i hate the closed source walled garden. Linux at home ftw.
MacOS is waaay better for that than iOS though. If you squint a little and try to stick to the CLI, you can pretend it's Linux.
Or, run docker and have actual Linux.
That docker engine still runs in a small Linux vm.
And the m1, m2, etc chips killed the use of VirtualBox for running full fledged vms :/
UTM will run full fledged linux just fine on Apple Silicon.
Sharing host file systems is still tougher than Virtualbox, but time and adoption will remedy that.
https://github.com/utmapp/UTM
The problem is creating isos and vagrantfiles for the common denominator that can be shared via git and artifactory
Lol I do that too, but that's hardly a viable desktop experience on its own.
Wat?
I just don't get it, have you tried using Linux on desktop or are you just repeating standard phrases about it thinking that sounds normal?
I think you might have thought I was saying "Linux doesn't offer a viable desktop experience." That is not what I'm saying. I've installed Linux distros on all sorts of machines, including Macs, and happily used it as a daily driver.
I'm saying that a Docker container on a Macbook can't offer a viable desktop experience.
Ah. Yep, likely true.
Lol kay cool :)
I LOVE LOVE LOVE how I can open the screen on my mac and immediately continue where I left off. I love how the entire laptop is made out of metal that doesn't bend or warp and whose hinge works today just like it did half a decade ago.
I hate everything else about the mac, especially how I have to pay inflated prices for everything. I hate even more about how fucking hard it is to get into the actual nitty gritty system settings on a mac. If I could find a reasonably priced laptop with great build quality and immediate boot, I'd throw my mac in the garbage or sell it off to someone else who would appreciate it much more.
I guess I dont really need to mention I'm poor. If I wasnt Id already have got a second laptop that ran not-macOS
macOS isn’t walled…
As someone who has to support MacOS desktop....... It functionally is?
Ok sure, it's not as bad as Android or iOS, but it's far from "anyone can simply download and run"
TIL Android is a walled garden.
Well, courts seemed to think so in the Epic v Google case
Google Play Store is, kinda, but Android itself is not.
How is it “functionally” walled? How is it far from “anyone can simply download and run”? It literally is just that. Anyone can download anything and run any unsigned code. I am baffled by the fact that all the people correcting you are getting downvoted.
You can literally run anything you want on MacOS
Except, what apple dont want you to run.
Incorrect. Apple does not need to approve or sign any code for it to run on any Mac.
Totally like Counter-Strike
Yes, Counter-Strike is available for MacOS.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ not according to steam, but regardless there are literally thousands of games that do not run on Macs so still an ignorant statement
I’m just curious of an example of a game or two you play that’s not available on Mac. There’s some newish tech that allows Macs to virtualize/emulate windows tech including DirectX 12. Not coming for you I’m just curious to test those waters.
(I don’t play computer games, sorry for not knowing)
Virtualization means it's not running on MacOS...
And, I don't have a Mac so definitely not something I pay any attention to, but it's pretty easy to see if a game on steam supports MacOS.
Far Cry 6 doesn't run on MacOS. I'd imagine most Ubisoft games don't.
Edit: oh, and Counter-Strike 2... Doesn't play on MacOS. Apparently I had to be specific about the "2" version.
Looks like CS-2 runs on a Mac fairly well with no extra hardware or virtualized OS installed. https://youtu.be/7g41rsoTlVg
Far cry 6 as well! https://youtu.be/UybZXgs-5a0
Apple’s game porting toolkit and their M-series hardware is pretty spectacular stuff. Honestly, it doesn’t matter at all that these games are not native as long as they run. And they run seemingly well even on first gen M-series hardware.
I think the point above about being able to run just about anything still stands.
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Thank you robot
I’ve been curious so here’s a list of tested games that do and don’t work:
https://www.applegamingwiki.com/wiki/Game_Porting_Toolkit
Kinda neat ;)
But it is? You can just right click and run any apps from any source on macos.
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted on that. It’s factually accurate. You can easily run unsigned code from anywhere on a Mac, unwalled, no problem. I’ve got a SAB / radarr / sonarr / HASS server running on old hardware with a current OS and… it’s great.
Also isn’t Xcode free? So you can literally “simply“ download, develop, and run