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When people are way too smug about their wrong answer.

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[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

That's just crazy to me. Remembers me one time I was in Canada, and we were visiting a museum with First Nation People depicted.

A woman I was with asked me "So, do you also have First Nations in Europe?"

Well...

[–] snor10@lemm.ee 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

We have the Sami in Sweden/Norway/Finland/Russia.

They where treated like shit here as well... not genocide bad, but forcefull eradication of culture/language/religion during the 20th century bad.

[–] snooggums@kbin.social 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They where treated like shit here as well… not genocide bad, but forcefull eradication of culture/language/religion during the 20th century bad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_genocide

[–] snor10@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yup, Sweden drank the "race biology" kool aid.

Did a lot of nasty shit to mentally disabled people too, like giving them super sticky candy to study the effects of sugar on tooth decay.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vipeholm_experiments

Which gave us the term Lördagsgodis (Saturday candy).

[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Interesting, thank you for this!

[–] snor10@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago

No problem!

If you're interested you can read up on them here

[–] IWantToFuckSpez@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe the Basque are sorta culturally first nations. The language they speak is not related to any other language spoken in Europe. It’s the only surviving language that descended from pre-indo-European languages of prehistoric Europe.

[–] Blaze@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago

I mean, current Basque people are descendants of the original Basque people it's not like someone arrived from another continent and slaughtered them.

About the language, there are a few other non Indo-European languages: Finnic languages (including Finnish, Estonian) and Ugric languages (Hungarian)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Europe

[–] CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes. I am a sami, what you would call "first nation". There are many, many other kinds of indigenous peoples here in the Nordics

[–] spirinolas@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I'm very passionate about the Sami and very interested in their culture. There's no doubt they are a historically oppressed people and indigenous to Sapmi.

But let's be rigorous here. They weren't in Europe before everyone else like the First Nations in Canada. The Sami arrived in Europe, from the Urals in the 2nd millenium BC. By this time the Indo-Europeans and their languages were already spreading through Europe. The Neolithic farmers who mixed with the Indo-Europeans were there since the 7th millenium BC. The hunter gatherers they mixed with...were there since before the last ice age.

You could make the case that the Basques are our first nations. That would be true of their language and culture. But the fact is, genetically, they are pretty much the same as their neighbors due to millenia of intermixing and contact.

[–] CurlyMoustache@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

That's why we don't call ourselves "first nation". We're indigenous people

[–] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There've been people in Sapmi for at least 10 millennia.

[–] spirinolas@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Ok I looked a bit further, the evidence for the first inhabitants of the region being ancestors of the Sami is based on linguistic studies with other Uralic languages. But it's far from direct evidence. I always assumed it was based on archeological evidence.