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socialism never works (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 9 months ago by cyu@sh.itjust.works to c/socialism@lemmy.ml

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[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca -2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Sure I understand politics. At election time, I read the party platforms and check polling. That way I can can strategically vote based on the candidate that has the highest probability of enacting policies that I want. Though sometimes I vote to prevent a candidate that's regressive. Repeat for every election.

Sometimes I'll write to my representative. Sometimes I'll go to party meetings, do some phone banking.

Progress is slow, but when you actually care about the issues you can achieve progress by voting in as many elections as it takes to get there.

Next month the bus route I take will only charge one fare instead of two. It's a whole stupid thing, don't even ask.

Given that it tends to be the working class that takes the bus, this helps the working class in a small way. If everyone put effort into making small local changes we could achieve even more.

So yeah fixing bus fares doesn't sound like much, but I think it's far more help to the working class where I live than internet socialists have ever done. Too busy dreaming about some future socialist revolution that will solve all problems to make things better now. In fact I think that future revolution thing is mostly just an excuse to not make an effort to improve things now.

Do you even vote?

[–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 4 points 9 months ago

Sure I understand politics. At election time, I read the party platforms and check polling. That way I can can strategically vote based on the candidate that has the highest probability of enacting policies that I want. Though sometimes I vote to prevent a candidate that’s regressive. Repeat for every election.

I actually used to do this. Didn't mean I understood much about politics and economics. Still could learn way more, but at least I don't think this alone is sufficient anymore. Under a FPTP voting system their are only two parties who can win anyway.

Progress is slow, but when you actually care about the issues you can achieve progress by voting in as many elections as it takes to get there.

Some societies are literally going backwards - that's not progress. Take the USA or UK as prime examples. Also slow and steady leads to climate disaster and people being deprived of their rights - namely women in the US and trans people everywhere else.

So yeah fixing bus fares doesn’t sound like much, but I think it’s far more help to the working class where I live than internet socialists have ever done. Too busy dreaming about some future socialist revolution that will solve all problems to make things better now. In fact I think that future revolution thing is mostly just an excuse to not make an effort to improve things now.

Then you have met shit socialists. They are the people going to rallies and protests to show solidarity. Also the people building the unions, organising the strikes. Some vote in every election. There have been revolutions before, in almost every country on earth at some point. It's entirely possible to have another one. This whole thing is badly informed and horribly wrong, there are socialists out there doing more to help people than you are.

Honestly you just want to make yourself sound impressive for doing basic civic duty while shitting on people who's beliefs you don't even understand in a forum that's supposed to be for them.