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Live coverage thread of the International Court of Justice and the case of South Africa vs. Israel.

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[–] TheBananaKing@lemmy.world 55 points 9 months ago (2 children)

They didn't really call for it to stop military action though. They called for it to stop doing things intended to be genocide; I predict that Israel will just disagree that it intends genocide, and keep on doing it.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Ruling that the Palestinians are a protected class under the Genocide conventions is pretty big though...

From the live thread:

"7m ago 07.43 EST International Court of Justice orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza Judge Donoghue says the court has decided that Israel must “take all measures within its its power” to prevent all acts within the scope of the genocide convention.

She adds that Israel must ensure “with immediate effect” that its forces do not commit any of the act in the genocide convention.

Israel must also take immediate measures to improve the humanitarian situation in Gaza."

and:

"14m ago 07.37 EST ICJ recognises right of Palestinians in Gaza to be protected from acts of genocide Judge Donoghue, speaking now at the ICJ, said at least some rights sought by South Africa in its genocide case against Israel’s war in Gaza are plausible. She said: “A link exists between the rights claimed by South Africa that the court has found plausible and at least some of the provisional measures requested.”

With the reading still ongoing, the court said it recognises the right of Palestinians in Gaza to be protected from acts of genocide. Palestinians appear to be a protected group under the genocide convention, the court said.

Friday’s ruling at the International Court of Justice (ICJ) does not deal with the core accusation of the case – whether genocide occurred – but will focus on the urgent intervention sought by South Africa."

Also, statements by Israel are pretty fucking damning IMO:

"20m ago 07.33 EST Judge Donoghue is detailing comments made by Israeli officials during the war, including:

Defence minister Yoav Gallant saying he had ordered “complete siege” of Gaza City”, and later said “we will eliminate everything” and that Israel was fighting “human animals”.

President Isaac Herzog saying, “It’s an entire nation out there that is responsible”."

[–] fastandcurious@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago (4 children)

So is saying that we shouldn’t kill innocent humans ‘A big deal’

Was the world up till now thinking that Palestinians are not humans?

Are only Jews protected under the genocide convention?

What the fuck is going on?

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 17 points 9 months ago

So is saying that we shouldn’t kill innocent humans ‘A big deal’

I know you're being sarcastic, but yeah. The situation is so dire that having someone at least come out and say "This is wrong" is a net improvement.

[–] anlumo@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Israel argued that because Jews were affected by a genocide, Israel is therefore unable to commit it themselves.

[–] fastandcurious@lemmy.world -3 points 9 months ago

Makes sense, pretty reasonable of Israel

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

The tl;dr is:

  1. Palestinians are protected under the genocide conventions.
  2. Israel needs to take steps to ensure genocide is not being committed.
  3. Israel needs to improve humanitarian aid to Gaza.
  4. Come back in a month.
[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 0 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Internet warriors distorted reality and made you believe self-defense is genocide. Although terrible, what the Palestinians are experiencing right now is nothing like what the Jews experienced in world war II, which is what the genocide statutes were written to address. Were they being forced into trains and worked to death or put into gas chambers, I guarantee you they would apply.

[–] fastandcurious@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Are you really saying we should go holocaust level before anyone should take action?

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm saying collateral damage is not genocide.

[–] fastandcurious@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

‘Wait until enough Palestinians are killed before punishing Israel’

[–] DarkGamer@kbin.social 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Wait until the legal definition applies before punishing people for breaking the law.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

Who applies the legal definition before punishment for breaking the law?

Oh, right. International orgs like the International Court of Justice.

[–] kaffiene@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Back at your murder apologist trolling again, I see

[–] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

"You're committing genocide."

"Okay, but did I intend to? :trollface:"

[–] JustUseMint@lemmy.world 6 points 9 months ago

"stop committing hate crimes"

"Is it a hate crime if Im enjoying it?"