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[–] RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (16 children)

***with the exception of racist content, the use of slurs (racial or otherwise), targetted harassment, and incitement of violence, ***

Did everyone just skip right past reading this part? That's a lot of exceptions that cover a large gamut of activity that will continue to be not allowed. That's not exactly "free speech" by definition, but it also is not allowing content that most platforms also do not allow.

I am not exactly sure what I am missing?

[–] lostinapotatofield@kbin.social 57 points 1 year ago (32 children)

There's a lot of context. Basically, there's been a few weeks of controversy over whether anti-lgbt viewpoints would be allowed. This post (along with the removal of two admins) was a statement that anti-lgbt viewpoints are explicitly allowed on the site as long as they avoid slurs and direct incitement of violence. With a site population that leans pretty far left, this didn't go over well at all.

[–] yukichigai@kbin.social 42 points 1 year ago

In other words, "you can pick on minorities as long as they aren't racial minorities." Yeah, great distinction.

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[–] morrowind@lemmy.ml 42 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'll put it this way, there have been dozens of reddit alternatives over the years. Of those, pretty much every single one that advertised free speech has gone under from right-wingers, psuedo-nazi's etc.

The fact is, the biggest subset of people deplatformed off of reddit or any platform are truly just awful^1^ , regardless of what they claim about unfair moderation. And if you don't make it expressedly clear that you will not tolerate them, they will flock to your platform. Any claims of "free speech" even backed by "oh but nothing too awful please" is basically a dog whistle to them and they will flock to your platform.

If someone says something like this, they're either naïve about how this works or they're just saying it to maintain appearances. Either way, the platform is doomed.

[1] well maybe not recently due to api issues, but they're still a huge subset and will be the majority again eventually

[–] Veraticus@lib.lgbt 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (15 children)

This is typically done to allow transphobia. Misgendering people is not racist, a “slur,” targeted harassment, or an incitement to violence. So that’s usually what this kind of “free speech” exists to champion.

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[–] TheSpookiestUser@lemmy.world 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There's a lot of types of bigotry and other general nastiness that are not covered by that.

Normally I would not be so nitpicky with language but if multiple admins were removed / quit over it, that's pretty suspect.

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[–] Chozo@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

I am not exactly sure what I am missing?

Before, you could write "I don't like gay people" and get banned for it. Now you won't get banned for that post, unless you use a slur.

At least, that's my interpretation of it. Maybe it's a bit overblown, maybe it's a misstep by Jayclees, I dunno. I don't think a whole lot of people are really using Squabblr for conversational content in the first place, though. 99% of the platform is just memes. They should just stick to that, honestly. Nothing wrong with being a 9gag replacement.

If he wants to let people have dissenting opinions, then he should at least add a downvote mechanic to the platform. Otherwise it will be riddled with bad-faith arguments and brigading.

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