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[–] KISSmyOS@feddit.de -1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I disagree completely. Protection of human rights is a fundamental part of the concept of democracy.
A political system that decides everything purely based on majority vote, with no protections whatsoever for minority rights, is NOT a democracy.
You may call it one, but then you're simply redefining the word.

[–] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 3 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What you're thinking of is commonly called a constitutional democracy.

A pure democracy would literally just decide everything by majority vote.

[–] KISSmyOS@feddit.de 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

According to the United Nations, democracy "provides an environment that respects human rights and fundamental freedoms

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy

What you're calling "pure democracy" is called Ochlocracy or mob rule.

[–] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Pro tip: it helps to actually read an article before posting it.

Mob rule or ochlocracy is a pejorative term describing an oppressive majoritarian form of government controlled by the common people through the intimidation of more legitimate authorities. Ochlocracy is distinguished from democracy or similarly legitimate and representative governments by the absence or impairment of a procedurally civil process reflective of the entire polity. (Emphases mine)

What this is really saying is that there’s merely a fine line of constitutional red tape and governmental procedure that distinguishes democracy from mob rule.

[–] KISSmyOS@feddit.de 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

What you call a fine line of constitutional red tape and governmental procedure is the defining difference between democracy and mob rule, and it's not a fine line. It's embedded into every aspect of a truly democratic political system.
And while Wikipedia calls Ochlocracy a pejorative term in the first sentence (which you seem to have read), it was coined by Greek political thinkers who defined 3 "good" forms of government (monarchy, aristocracy, and democracy) and their corresponding "bad" counterparts (tyranny, oligarchy, and ochlocracy).
The difference between "good" and "bad" is whether the system serves the populace or simply those in power. (That's also in the article I linked)

[–] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I can't help but notice that each of the latter three is just the dark side of the former three.

The dark side of monarchy is tyranny, the dark side of aristocracy is oligarchy, and the dark side of democracy is ochlocracy.

Interesting.

[–] KISSmyOS@feddit.de 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's what the author intended.

[–] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

So we agree then that there is always a danger that if left unchecked, democracy may devolve into mob rule.

[–] KISSmyOS@feddit.de 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

That's a danger in all forms of government if a large enough majority wants that.
In which case the form of government would stop being a democracy.

Some nations try to protect against that with additional measures, like Germany where the parts of the constitution guaranteeing human rights can't be changed by any majority, and it includes a right to resistance for any citizen should all legal avenues fail. But ultimately, if everyone in a country wants to abolish the protection of minorities, no piece of writing or procedure can prevent that.

[–] MacNCheezus@lemmy.today 1 points 9 months ago

Well, that was sort of my entire point, and the story in the OP is another example of how democracy can fail because the majority opinion is sometimes wrong.