It's not a thing where I live. There's going to be other countries where the police operate like a gang, but it's just not the case in almost all OECD countries. In authoritarian states like Russia and Iran, sure, but in functional democracies, it's just not the case. The USA is a big exception, it must be part of that american exceptionalism thing.

[–] optissima@lemmy.ml 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

So the rise of authoritarian policies in OECD countires mean nothing and aren't being enforced?

[–] BearGun@ttrpg.network 5 points 10 months ago

Sure they do, and sure they are. But most people in functioning democracies with decent to good police forces understand that they're just the messengers and hate the politicians that came up with the policies instead.

[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

The policies of politicians and the humanism of police are not the same thing. A new party in power will also not change the culture of the workforce of an established service overnight, such a thing takes time. Time that those politicians usually don't get in a functioning democracy, because in far less than a generation, another coalition of parties will be in the majority.

[–] zaart@lemmy.tedomum.net -1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You wish. I don't know where you live, but go ask your local queer militants or racial minority, you may have a different answer. Also, yeah, they are here to defends the system, they'll be nice only as long as the system isn't too challanged. Which won't last for much longer anymore, with climate change, rarefaction of resources and all that.

[–] RunawayFixer@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

I live in Belgium. There are police officers who are racist, which is to be expected since a lot of Belgian non police officers are racist too. But they are not allowed to be openly racist on the job, because that can have consequences for them.

Are our police fed up with the inner city street youth in Brussels, who mostly have an immigrant background? Definitely, but that doesn't mean they are any more racist than the immigrants who are also fed up with the with thay inner city street youth. The root cause of those persisting problems is also a failing judiciary, not cop culture.

But the thing is, the conditions, that make it so that "acab" is a thing with many police agencies, are not present in Belgium.

Our police does not have qualified immunity, there are no no knock raids, there is no "we investigated ourselves and found nothing wrong", there is no systematic omerta to protect each other when crimes are committed. People aren't even afraid of dying or getting their dog killed when they call the police.

There are isolated scandals obviously, police people are human after all and there are all kinds of humans and all kinds of circumstances.

There have been a few police scandals in recent years, but unlike with the USA police we keep reading about, those had consequences for the police officers involved. There is a very recent one of a group of police officers sharing racist memes in a private Whatsapp group and guess what, they got reported by colleagues and after an investigation, several police officers were fired.

Is the Belgian police perfect? Far from it. But are all Belgian cops bastards? Certainly not. Our cops are not a gang that stands apart from society, they are very much part of it.