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Very fitting headline in a day and age where I'm constantly seeing people advocating for giving trump the Whitehouse and finishing the country off because anything less would be SuPpOrTiNg GeNoCiDe. As if the move to help Palestinians would be to elect Trump. These people are very stupid children, bots, or Russian paid actors. Impossible to know which.
I got into that exact argument about Biden. Eventually I called the person a Putin puppet and got my post deleted by a Lemmy.world mod.
So, you got into an argument, turned to insults, and moderation kicked in. Sounds like everything is working OK.
You're exactly right, and you proved your own point with this comment thread. It's really sad that people can't be polite and think they have to resort to ad hominem crap.
Sounds overzealous to me. Wrapped up in that is the assumption that associating a person with Putin is said as just a way to hurt feelings, rather than a perhaps-assuming claim.. before yesterday, it never once occurred to me that a mod would have an issue with a claim of association that cannot be proven either way. Might as well start banning people for telling each other they're wrong.
So, if I were to hit you with a claim of association that cannot be proven either way, but just so happens to conveniently dismiss anything you said, and anything you might say in response, you wouldn't consider that a personal attack?
Fine by me: How much is Putin paying you to sow bad-faith arguments among non-republicans?
I am frequently hit with much worse "attacks" than this and I laugh at and ignore the vast majority of them. Even when someone's particularly good at being personally insulting (this example is NOT) I rarely get hurt by it.
Ah, so you do, in fact, recognize it as an attack, a personally insulting one, with the intention "to hurt feelings", and not a "perhaps-assuming claim" you present it when trying to justify not getting banned for being an asshole.
Precisely what I strongly dispute. It's only an insult if you have no idea what an actual insult is.
Kinda ironic that you did not even read the conversation, and you get to call me an asshole in the same breath as telling me I was insulting, which again since you didn't read the conversation you're pulling that assumption straight from your rectum anyhow.
This is only an argument if you have no idea what an actual argument is.
I'm not arguing with you. Bye.
You're right, you're not.
Annnnd I was banned from politics on lemmy.world. this is actually kind of messed up. I don't think I said anything particularly offensive even. It seems like it was more about my message.
I was banned from all of . world for shit posting in a running group by saying I'm too fat to run. The group crossed my feed when I was sorting by all and I said it just for shits and giggles.
That got me banned but when I went on the discord and asked about this another mod came along and reversed it.
Wow. It's so concerning.
The "automod" just removed 5 of my comments for complete bullshit reasons, but it honestly does seem like they did it in response to the exact same issue -- I claimed someone is a russian actor. I'm now wondering who runs lemmy.world, and what exact agenda they have.
Despite it claiming "automod" there were human-written reasons, one of which was "Provide evidence of shilling or this is personal insult."
You do realize I read Lemmy right?
No, they were reported multiple times, and I removed them by hand, no bots were involved.
Like I said in the modlog, if you have actual evidence of botting, let's see it, otherwise, you are intentionally antagonizing people, and I can't let you do that.
^ This mod is a right wing activist harasser mod and uses their mod powers to shift the discussion
It seems like you assume I know a lot of things I either don't know or forgot about. Forgot about the modlog, still even looking there, it's missing detail, such as someone to message to ask a question. Also, ... "abelist insults", really? I believe I wrote a couple things like "what is wrong with your brain?" which would not be taken as seriously by anyone I know.
I did see the message about providing evidence of shilling... I am just curious what would constitute such evidence? In my experience you could almost never prove it, and ironically that is what the parent post above is literally about.
You admit that you have no evidence at all, and you are going around calling people who disagree with you "Russian bots"?
Suspicious voting patterns, repetitive spam messages, all of these would constitute as evidence, and our admins ban these spam bots usually within minutes.
You are going around and calling people stupid," it's just a joke bro" is not going to cut it. Ironic prejudice is still prejudice.
I don't want to argue with you more. Take the next 3 days off, talk about something else, think about how you can contribute positively before you come back.
^ This mod is a right wing activist harasser mod and uses their mod powers to shift the discussion
^ This mod is a right wing activist harasser mod and uses their mod powers to shift the discussion
^ This mod is a right wing activist harasser mod and uses their mod powers to shift the discussion
No I didn't, to any of this.
Uh, wow. No prejudice involved.
News to me this was an argument as the first contradiction just occurred
A child often behaves like an LLM-based bot - a child too often will imitate proper argumentation in style, but say junk, because they want to "win" an argument and not be correct. I would do that when I was a child.
I mean, adults do that too all the time, so the only way to distinguish bots from people is to communicate with people you know are real or others know are real.
I love how the old way of using the Web would solve this problem automatically, and P2P solutions with webs of trust too, but the majority of people uses the architecture most advantageous to bots.
Almost as if you needed bots to attract the majority of people. They wouldn't come to the web otherwise, for just real people and real communities. It's like a hunter's whistle. Or like porn.
What about unpaid russian actors?
Biden is assisting a genocide though. Will I vote for him in 2024? Most likely. I still fucking hate him though.
I mean, that's fine. I only have a problem with people who will watch the world burn under the guise of principles
But if biden loses I'm going to blame HIM, not the voters. We all know how dangerous trump is. If biden and other mainstream dems actually believed it they'd be pushing boundaries like never before. But they're not. They're actually moving further right to try and appease "centrists" which is pretty much what the social democrats did in Germany in the 30s and we see how well that worked out. They should be promoting the organizing of militias in case trump supporters try to fuck around and seize power again if democracy really is on the line.
It won't matter whose fault it is when democracy in the United States has been snuffed out.
"democracy"
Right, a semblance of it beats none of it
Hey man, tell it to biden. He's clearly not taking this seriously enough.
Example: A.
I run this instance buddy. If you're going to call me a bot at least check my comment history.
Being a bot isn't the only part to it.
It's about being susceptible enough to propaganda to start pushing it too. The point is to harm. That doesn't matter whether you're a bot, a child, a billionaire or someone running an instance on a federated community born in communism lol. It's one of the funniest things regarding such strong stances on Lemmy. Everyone thinks they're immune to it when the entire article's basis is you can't tell.
Oh, the irony.
You libs just can't deal with the fact that Biden sucks and the voters are demanding he move further left. I'm sorry, but we can't all just go back to brunch.
So you propose to cut off your nose to spite your face. If you think Trump is anything less than an end of our democracy, you’re naive. Do you think Trump will be any better on supporting Palestine? Absolutely not.
Why can't biden do what his voter base demand?
Why am I unsurprised that its lemmy.world libs bringing the 'everyone I don't like is a russian bot' line to the fediverse.
lemmy despite trying not to be like reddit, it's still moderated by people that get off on the power trip exactly the same
They don't care that much.
vote biden because trump bad
what about their resumes? what have either candidates done that has benefited your life enough directly that demands your vote?
please name one thing biden has done that your life now is better for
was it the cannabis reforms he promised and flip flopped on with prosecutor harris? was it the police reforms he promised? was it defending our human rights? was it the immigration policies he talked up that now mirror republican strategies? or is that stagnant paycheck after biden promised a higher minimum wage of $15 which is still too low due to the inflation?
forgot he can not do anything because republicans and republicans never can do anything either because democrats
through policies and laws crafted and put in place by politicians like biden, trump, obama, and the list goes on my right to vote was taken so not like have a say in this election anyways
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/
https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/biden-promise-tracker/?ruling=true
Not that those links would be the metric to go by when voting, but they do not support your position as Biden's stats are much better there.
I will not waste any more time on you so don't bother replying
Yeah. I had to look at both twice to make sure and laughed a bit. Some people can site sources. But they can’t read em
Or just people with different opinions to yours
Anyone who sites “genocide” and then, in the same breath, supports Trump is either a shill, a fool, or both. There is no metric you can look at and say Trump is better,
To say the least