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[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 70 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Go on... how would you have negotiated the South out of slavery?

[–] JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca 88 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Are you sure that's what he would be negotiating for?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 41 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Probably the opposite, but I think he is honestly trying to suggest that the South could have been negotiated out of chattel slavery. He's a moron, let's not forget that.

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago

And a racist, let's not forget that.

[–] ThirdWorldOrder@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago

I’m not sure if he’s a moron since he knows so much about magnets. I like John Deere

[–] Uglyhead@lemmy.world 27 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

This orange asshole is completely surrounded by White Nationalists, Neo Nazis, KKK Members, Confederate Apologists, etc. etc. They all sit around spewing this shite to each other and then he plays their greatest hits on stage to the Qult45 crowds.

[–] jaybone@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Wasn’t Iowa on the side of the north? Lol

[–] Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 5 points 10 months ago

For people who fly the Confederate battle flag it's really lost all original meaning and they just fly it to be edgy and whisper their racist opinions.

I attended a historical reenactment of the 17th century near the northern Iowa border that used to be fun pre-trump and saw so many flags that should not be (trump flags, combo trump/American flags, combo American/Confederate flags, pure Confederate flags, you name it) it really felt like the trumpists pushed out some of the history nerds who were there to nerd out over pre-colonial history

[–] Kage520@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Before the war, Lincoln wasn't an abolitionist. He wanted to stop new states from having slavery, and keep no slavery where it was. He was fine with letting the south keep their slaves for the sake of the Union.

The problem was the South did not want to limit their potential to grow slavery to new states, and decided to go to war over it.

Still doubt negotiation could have worked. Lincoln really did not want to go to war in the first place.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I judge people more by their deeds than their desires, especially their desires before the fact. Lincoln ended up doing the right thing. He also ended up successfully seeing the country through one of the most difficult times, if not the most difficult time, in its history. He is, to me, rightfully regarded as one of our greatest presidents regardless of his thoughts on slavery before the war.

[–] nbafantest@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

The problem was the South did not want to limit their potential to grow slavery to new states, and decided to go to war over it.

This shows exactly why Trump is wrong.

The reason they didn't want new states to all be free states is that then Congress would have the votes to make slavery illegal.

[–] Mammothmothman@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Lol they just redefined the terms of slavery. Slavery is alive and well in the USA.

[–] Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Correct. Slavery is still legal in U.S. prisons. The public may not be aware of it, but millions of people in U.S. prisons are slaves as permitted under U.S. law.

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I assume you mean in a "wage slave" kinda way?

[–] Zoboomafoo@slrpnk.net 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Unfortunately not, when slavery was abolished in the US Constitution an exception was put in for:

"punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted"

Which was common practice at the time, and a huge mistake in hindsight.

Some states have repealed that measure in their state constitution, but the work continues

[–] dvoraqs@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Well, only metaphorically, right?

[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works 5 points 10 months ago

No, literally. Slavery is still legal as punishment for a crime. Which is why everything is illegal these days.

[–] 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it 0 points 10 months ago

As a turn of phrase

[–] Zoboomafoo@slrpnk.net 3 points 10 months ago

I really want to know. We should get Lincoln and Davis impersonators and trick Trump into thinking he time traveled

[–] agressivelyPassive@feddit.de 2 points 10 months ago

Well, obviously only half of the slaves would have been freed.

[–] Moira_Mayhem@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

The only negotiation option that is moral is "We will shoot you till your stop treating people as property."

I think it's a fair offering.