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[–] Toes@ani.social 33 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I suspect it would be helpful for protecting sensitive situations. Currently (at least with EMS) they call each other's cellphones for that, not ideal.

[–] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] godzillabacter@lemmy.world 32 points 2 years ago (2 children)

EMS communication over unencrypted channels is limited by HIPAA, patient information must be kept vague to protect patient privacy. In the event that, say, an individuals name needs to be given to the receiving facility to facilitate review of records prior to arrival by the ER physician, some other method of communication has to be used.

[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

It's not a HIPAA violation for a report like this to go over unsecured radio waves:

16 year old male, unresponsive. Suspected alcohol poisoning. EMS required. Address to be provided by emergency services

[–] godzillabacter@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I know, which is why my example was about providing the patient's name over the radio.

[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago

Does EMS typically provide patient names over the radio? That honestly seems like information that would normally not be needed, or potentially even known.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago

They have to keep it vague like that because the channel is open to all. It's a limitation of the system.

[–] JaymesRS 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Off of the top of my head, I can see how an announcement of an open shooter at a location might attract some Meal Team 6 Rambo wanna-be to try and bust in and save the day and making it significantly worse.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I've never heard of this happening. It's probably more for people avoiding police and maybe ambulance chasers.

[–] JaymesRS 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

We had a kid cross state lines to show up to a riot with a gun to defend property and shoot people. Just because you haven’t heard about it doesn’t mean it’s not plausible as a valid reason.

[–] gaylord_fartmaster@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And? Do you think he heard about it from a police radio, and not literally every news outlet that was covering it at the time?

[–] JaymesRS 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

You must know that unencrypted police radios have been a upstream source for local media for a long time, right?

And I’m not arguing that encryption is a good idea, in fact I think a blanket encryption of emergency radio is a bad idea (but nuance on social media is invisible).

This thread is simply in answer to an earlier poster who asked for a situation where it could be helpful to protect a sensitive situation and I provided one that we have seen analogs of in real life.

[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sure, they get some information from radios. They also usually have at least one person at the headquarters at all times. They will know about big events regardless.

[–] JaymesRS 1 points 2 years ago

I forgot that police have no filters or power in person to be more private in discussions about sensitive topics just because there’s a person at their precinct. All conversations happen wide open just like you get with a police-band scanner. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[–] CaptainSpaceman@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

OK, so something thats never happened before needs to be curtailed?

And even if so, active shooters are rare, do we need to encrypt ALL chatter for something that happens maybe every few years for a given precinct/jurisdiction?

[–] JaymesRS 1 points 2 years ago

Nope, even never had any sort of analogous situation where armed civilians show up to insert themselves and potentially complicate matters: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2018/07/13/feature/in-all-reality-there-were-three-shooters-oklahomans-kill-an-active-shooter-and-its-not-as-simple-as-it-sounds/

do we need to encrypt ALL chatter…

I never suggested we did. The original poster referenced a specific context of a “sensitive situation” and you asked for an example, so I provided one that could qualify.

[–] ScaNtuRd@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Newsflash: Cellphone calls are not encrypted either, believe it or not.

[–] Toes@ani.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

That may be the case with older technologies but VoLTE very much is.

[–] ScaNtuRd@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Sure, but how many phones/carriers actually use this by default in the US?

[–] Toes@ani.social 1 points 2 years ago

I would expect it to be nearly all devices. America was in the process of shutting down the old technologies and I believe has in most cases.

https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/plan-ahead-phase-out-3g-cellular-networks-and-service