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It can’t. I can create another account and post freely In that community if necessary. This mod blocked me from ever posting there under ANY account under threat of perma-ban Reddit-wide. And without any recourse. I cannot appeal-
All for proving a mod wrong.
There's really no way a reddit mod can know if you are ban evading on an alt. Only way is if you admit to it which they can then report to the admins.
Basically just don't admit to evading a ban and you would have been 100% fine from the mods.
This is all coming from somebody that's modded subreddits with millions of subscribers.
I never admitted to it. Was banned on one account on politics for calling a trumper a little bitch for whining about anti-racism laws- then logged into that sub with an alt a day later and had my account banned.
They clearly have the authority to know when you’re circumventing. I never said a word about it, and didn’t even comment in the same post as my banned account.
https://www.unit21.ai/trust-safety-dictionary/ban-evasion#:~:text=So%20how%20does%20Reddit%20detect,users%20that%20violate%20Reddit's%20rules.&text=Subreddit%20moderators%20can%20also%20report%20ban%20evasion%20on%20Reddit%20to%20site%20administrators.
Dude, I believe you. Same shit happened to me. That's why I'm on kbin and lemmy. These people have no idea.
Mods on reddit do not have that ability.
Yeah…. they absolutely do. I had an account banned from Reddit for posting in a sun that an alt account was banned in.
Yeah, no. Subreddit mods can't do that, only the sitewide admins.
It's easy to prove this as anyone can create a new subreddit and see exactly what functions mods get. They don't get the ability to issue sitewide bans, only bans from their own subreddit.
I'm pretty sure the sitewide admins have a bot that detects ban evasion. The mods share the message with you, it's the same message on every sub.
The admins might well have some sort of automation, but mods certainly don't have any visibility of it and the admins never talk about it. Outside of the customisable "ban reason" one liner in the ban message, the entire message is automated (and defined by the admins) - the mods don't write it.
What sub were you moderating?
Something big like r/videos or something small like r/Iputdoritoesinmyshoes?
A couple of smallish warhammer related subs - /r/battlescribe and r/Eldar/ - not tiny subs, but only a few tens of thousands of users - nowhere near the size of something like /r/videos.
The point is, they can make it happen. It even says so in the ban notification.
“Any attempt to circumvent this ban by using alt accounts will result in a sitewide ban.”
Wether they do it themselves, or report you to admins, the end result is the same.
Mods don't have any more ability to do it than any other user. They literally just have to use the "report user" function, same as anyone else on reddit. There's no secret special back door access to the admins that mods get. This is literally one of the things that mods complain about - they don't have any way to deal with ban avoidance and alt accounts except to hit "report" and cross their fingers.
Bullshit. Mods ban from subreddits, and report circumvention to admins. Regular users don’t have any way of knowing if your using an alt. The point is-
That shit can’t happen here.
Mods don't have any extra way to report users to admins that all users don't have access to. It's literally just the "report user" button.
Mods certainly don't have any way to detect alts beyond just knowing their community and manually spotting posts with a similar style to known troll accounts.
Seriously dude, you can see exactly what tools mods have access to just by creating your own sub and just fucking looking for yourself. The mod tools are shit, they get virtually nothing, certainly nothing like you seem to imagine they have. The fact that the mod tools are shit and have been shit since forever and that the admins have made promises to sort them out but never done anything about it are some of the major contributing factors in the protest and the move here. The API change were really just the last straw.
You're obviously butthurt over getting banned but based on your attitude here you probably deserved it.
I’m telling you- I had an entire account banned for posting in a sub after an different account was banned from that sub. This is NOT something any normal user would be able to do, so….
You’re clearly full of shit and come off like a butrhurt Reddit mod defending the chest puffing.
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I don't doubt for a minute that you managed to earn a sitewide ban - you certainly seem like the sort.
All I'm saying is that mods don't have any way to give a sitewide ban and (beside educated guesswork), they don't have any way to detect alt accounts either. They don't have any backdoor access to the admins beyond the "report user" button that every person on reddit has access to. These aren't even things that are in any way in question, because a) literally anyone can create a new subreddit and see exactly what tools mods get and b) exactly these issues were infamously central to all the recent protests.
You're the one whining about your sitewide ban my friend. The only person showing signs of any butthurt in this thread is you.
You’re the one not understanding what’s being explained to you. So again, you’re clearly either a complete dumbass, or you’re a Reddit apologist here to stir pots.
We’re done here as I’m not about wasting my time with trolls.
I'm 100% understanding what you're saying. I'm telling you:
1: YOU ARE WRONG
2: IT'S EASY TO PROVE
You're welcome to go create a subreddit and see for yourself exactly what tools mods get. They don't have the shit you think they do.
See my message above. It happened to me. This large sub's mods tracked my alt accounts and got the admins to perma ban me on all my alt accounts. I had 3 different accounts for 3 different sets of interests. I don't know how they did it but they did.
I got perma-banned from reddit for participating in a sub under a different account after I got banned. The sub in question banned me because I called out a player as a criminal for assault and bullying. The reddit ban message said mods reported my participation under alt account to the admins. There was no recourse to appeal any bans. Fuck reddit and its toxic mods. That's why I am here,
Reddit admins have the ability. Mods do not.
Mods can request to have you banned, so it’s the same thing. I know as it’s happened to me.
It even says so on the ban notification. That if you try and circumvent the bad with an alt, it will result in a sitewide ban.
It’s irrelevant who has the power if a buthurt mod can appeal to have to banned, it means the same thing.
A year ago, I was banned from r/politics after accruing about 450k karma from that sub alone.
I had a temporary ban of 3 days for some choice words I shared with a Trumpist.
A couple of days after the ban ended, I got perma-banned for violating the previous ban, which I didn't think I did. When I asked the mod team, they responded that reddit AI or a bot had detected it. They gave me a link that said the bot does detections but is not 100% perfect. I asked for evidence. They refused because they didn't want to reveal how the bot worked. They told me I could contact reddit admin instead. Reddit admin responded that I could contact the mod team for that sub... That was some Kafka-esque shit.
In any event, the perma-ban came with the threat that I would face a sitewide ban if I tried to evade the ban. The mods can't do that, but reddit admin can.
I assume they are looking for other accounts with the same IP address to detect ban evasions.
Reddit admin has been pretty consistent about letting mods run the subs the way they want, except in cases where the mods are encouraging brigading or breaking laws. For the former, they'll let that go a few years before they do anything about it, though.
Putting aside your specific situation: Threatening a site-wide ban for circumventing a sub's ban comes from dealing with users that are complete pieces of shit and refuse to follow the sub rules and keep coming back with new accounts to troll. The site has to raise the stakes to get them to stop; what other options are there? I've been active on online forums for years; one had to ban a whole city for a while because users there kept logging in and starting shit (they were coordinating with each other).
On the other hand, if the user started another account and followed the sub's rules, who would even think to check? It's unlikely that person would get a sitewide ban.