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Android vs. iOS (lemmy.ml)

submitted 1 year ago by utopia_dig@lemmy.ml to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

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I have been an Android user for 13 years now. After using almost every Google service possible I am going down the privacy rabbit hole lately. Gmail -> Proton Mail, Chrome -> Firefox, Keep -> Notesnook, Google Search -> Kagi, ...

I am currently using a Galaxy S23 with as few Google apps as possible (and focussing mainly on open-source apps). I am familiar with rooting (I was a CyanogenMod user back in the days), but today I want to use the phone without tinkering and problem solving. I also like to use a smartwatch and banking apps, so GrapheneOS is a no-go unfortunately.

So it is "Stock" Android (or Samsung's Android ) vs. iOS for me. Is it better (in terms of privacy) to use an iPhone or stick with an Android phone with an system wide ad-/tracking Blocker (I use Adguard)? It seems there are more privacy-friendly/open-source apps on Android.

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[–] bzz@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Generally Apple apps e2e encrypt your data and can not be read/mined by them. There are caveats such as Siri (anonymized voice clips uploaded for example) or (iirc) Apple News. Things like notes, fitness/health, or iMessage are your data.

[+] MagneticFusion@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

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[–] bzz@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It is a business risk for Apple to mine data on data they have explicitly confirmed in this ToS to be e2e encrypted and private.

If we’re going that far, none of the Broadcom/Qualcomm/Exynos/Snapdragon chips have open source firmware. Additionally google services are all closed source and proprietary.

Backdoors exist but all phones have backdoors in them and should be assumed they are exploited by state actors.

From a privacy standpoint, on stock mobile OS, Apple is the lead. I certainly won’t disagree that there are custom roms without google services that are superior though.

[–] settinmoon@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I agree. I work in tech and having a secret back door opens you up for potentially billions of dollars of lawsuits and all it takes for everything to blow up is one whistleblower.

[–] SaveComengs@lemmy.federa.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think the average apple user cares about the difference between e2ee and e2ee but apple also has a key

[–] bzz@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

Most privacy conscious people don’t use iCloud, the only place where by default Apple has the key (can be changed for users that don’t want this)

Apple as of 16.2 has an option to fully encrypt iCloud backups without allowing Apple to have a key. Assuming this is what you’re talking about.

Otherwise, most privacy conscious people are not using iCloud.