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[–] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The visitors are encouraged to drive? You sure about that? I mean in most bigger European cities tourists will use public transport. Its not at all convenient to rent a car just for driving within city limits.

Also, you talk about the cost of the ticketing system as if they had to remake it from scratch, they just need to maintain the current one.

[–] n2burns@lemmy.ca -2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The visitors are encouraged to drive? You sure about that? I mean in most bigger European cities tourists will use public transport. Its not at all convenient to rent a car just for driving within city limits.

If you're not incentivizing them to take transit, you're encouraging them to drive.

Also, you talk about the cost of the ticketing system as if they had to remake it from scratch, they just need to maintain the current one.

Which is not an insignificant expense. Fair gates need to be maintained, residential status verified, etc.

[–] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

If you're not incentivizing them to take transit, you're encouraging them to drive.

Ok, I don't think you have ever been to big European cities, this is not how people have their priorities cut out when visiting. But I can see that discussing this further leads nowhere, since you don't believe me and I don't believe you.

[–] n2burns@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

Thanks for your civility. My whole premise is predicated on questions neither of us can answer. You're quite right that I've never been to Europe (only England and Wales as an infant), but I feel my studies of urbanism and transit provide some insight. Thanks for the pleasant chat.

[–] Jomn@jlai.lu 5 points 10 months ago

Honestly, the only tourists that will really use a car are from «close» cities such Marseille or Toulouse. And they will choose the car because the Intercités train service is garbage, which has nothing to do with Montpellier's public transports.