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Substack says it will not remove or demonetize Nazi content (www.theverge.com)

submitted 11 months ago by breakfastmtn@lemmy.ca to c/technology@lemmy.world

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More than 200 Substack authors asked the platform to explain why it’s “platforming and monetizing Nazis,” and now they have an answer straight from co-founder Hamish McKenzie:

I just want to make it clear that we don’t like Nazis either—we wish no-one held those views. But some people do hold those and other extreme views. Given that, we don’t think that censorship (including through demonetizing publications) makes the problem go away—in fact, it makes it worse.

While McKenzie offers no evidence to back these ideas, this tracks with the company’s previous stance on taking a hands-off approach to moderation. In April, Substack CEO Chris Best appeared on the Decoder podcast and refused to answer moderation questions. “We’re not going to get into specific ‘would you or won’t you’ content moderation questions” over the issue of overt racism being published on the platform, Best said. McKenzie followed up later with a similar statement to the one today, saying “we don’t like or condone bigotry in any form.”

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[–] fubo@lemmy.world 81 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

To be clear — what McKenzie is saying here is that Substack will continue to pay Nazis to write Nazi essays. Not just that they will host Nazi essays (at Substack's cost), but they will pay for them.

They are, in effect, hiring Nazis to compose Nazi essays.

[–] mo_ztt@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Not exactly. Substack subscribers pay subscription fees, the content author keeps roughly 80% of the fees, and the rest goes to Substack or to offset hosting costs. The Nazi subscribers are paying the Nazi publishers, and money is flowing from the Nazi subscribers to Substack because of that operation (not away from Substack as it would be if they hired Nazis).

[+] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

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[–] mo_ztt@lemmy.world -1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

How is it pedantic to point out that "will pay for them" means "will get paid by them"?

There's a perfectly good argument to be made that Substack shouldn't host Nazis even if they're making money off them. But that wasn't (edit: ~~your~~ the) message; ~~your~~ the message was, they're hiring Nazis. It's relevant whether they're materially supporting the Nazis, or being materially supported by a cut of their revenue.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It wasn't my message, but it certainly made sense to me and still does. whereas your message makes sense but in a totally different way. It's basically "nuh-uh"

[–] mo_ztt@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Hm. Fair enough. The core complaint I have with banning Nazis from being able to speak, has nothing to do with which way the money is flowing. And I fixed "your" to be "the"; I just hadn't noticed you weren't the person I was talking with before.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

That's splitting hairs. Salespeople who work on commission are keeping an amount of what they make for the company, but I doubt many people would claim they aren't being paid to sell a product.