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[–] TheIvoryTower@lemmy.world 48 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Some would ask, how could a perfect God create a universe filled with so much that is evil. They have missed a greater conundrum: why would a perfect God create a universe at all?

-Sister Miriam Godwinson - Datalinks

[–] Sotuanduso@lemm.ee 9 points 10 months ago

Ah, there it is, and that actually helps to answer the question. Assuming the Biblical God, canon states that God is love. So why would a perfect God, who is love, create a universe? It seems most likely to me that it would be so He can have an object of His love.

But what is love directed to something perfect and easy to love? That's hardly a worthy effort. Might as well make something authentic. And since He isn't just loving, but love itself, He might as well make it in such a way that He can carry out every aspect of love - love when they love you back, love when they turn away, love when they hate you, love when they don't even think you exist, and so much more.

The universe must be filled with evil for half these situations to appear, but it's not love to make someone evil. The solution? Free will. God made it so His creations were free to turn their backs on Him, but still, in love, He gave every warning against it, because separation from God is not only evil but death.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I never thought Alpha Centauri would be an answer to a philosophical thought experiment but the writing was brilliant enough to have already looked at this question 20 years ago. Good find.

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

20 years ago

Wait until you find out what people were writing about 2000 years ago.

[–] GustavoM@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

why would a perfect God create a universe at all?

God is perfect -- its creations are not.

And before you ask, "Why God created such flawed creations then if He is so perfect?"

Because only God is perfect.

[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

So what you're saying is God is perfect, and made their imperfect creations to watch their suffering?

[–] GustavoM@lemmy.world 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Simply put -- if God wanted to create perfect, flawless creations He have created us Gods. And we aren't Gods.

"b-but why we suffer, why (insert negative outcome here)"

Because we aren't God(s), but God creatures. For the same reason dogs cannot talk and rationale like us -- we suffer, and God does not.

[–] Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We didn't create dogs though and often we try to minimize their suffering as much as possible.

[–] GustavoM@lemmy.world -3 points 10 months ago

We haven't, but there's this thing called "hierarchy". There is God, and its subordinates (angels, archangels, etc), and all the way under theres us -- humans. And below humans, the rest of the Gods creations -- dogs, cats, etc. And the logic behind this is diversity and beauty. And yes, even on a flaw (suffering, as mentioned here like a some sort of Gods curse rather than our "natural flaw" "why we suffer?", etc) can bestow beauty on its own. Why? Because everything have sense when we acknowledge that God is behind all suffering -- no matter how critical it is.Because He is Our Father, and The One and Only. We are His Children, and in suffering is how we learn that we are flawed and we need His Guidance.

I kinda tried to avoid being "biblical", but I had to in the end, heh.