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[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 226 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children)

"The whole Gaza Strip needs to be empty. Flattened. Just like in Auschwitz," Metula Mayor David Azoulai said in a radio interview on Sunday, according toThe Times of Israel. "Let it be a museum for all the world to see what Israel can do. Let no one reside in the Gaza Strip for all the world to see, because October 7 was in a way a second Holocaust."

How blinkered do you have to be to see the Hamas attacks on October 7 as akin to the Holocaust, but not see that your own determination to wipe out the entire people of Gaza resembles the genocidal intent behind the Holocaust?

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 74 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I had family die in the work camps, die in the chambers, and die in the ghettos. If Gaza needs to become Auschwitz because you're trying to shoehorn the Holocaust into the conversation, then October 7th was the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, you sick fuck. This mayor either needs a history lesson, a reminder to respect his family who died senselessly for their heritage, or would even do best to sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up. These blood-thirsty assholes need to figure out how to goddamn listen when others are crying before they repeat history's worst atrocities.

Here's a word I used to hear in Hebrew school and history lessons all the time: scapegoat. Look around you and try to identify who the scapegoat is. It ain't us this time... Also, read the fucking room. If many of your most ardent supporters are Nazis, you're probably doing a Nazi thing.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 36 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm just reading this on Wikipedia:

In 1939, German authorities began to concentrate Poland's population of over three million Jews into a number of extremely crowded ghettos located in large Polish cities. The largest of these, the Warsaw Ghetto, collected approximately 300,000–400,000 people into a densely packed, 3.3 km2 area of Warsaw. Thousands of Jews were killed by rampant disease and starvation under SS-und-Polizeiführer Odilo Globocnik and SS-Standartenführer Ludwig Hahn, even before the mass deportations from the ghetto to the Treblinka extermination camp began.

They crowded those people in a small area with a high population density and they started to die of disease and starvation. Gosh gee, why does that sound so familiar? 🫠

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

🤔 I remember reading a book in school about a family that lived in the Warsaw ghetto. At the end of the book, an agency helped them smuggle the main character's baby sister out in a basket, and he remarked to himself about how he knew she'd never know who her real family was.

It always stuck with me.

[–] MigratingApe@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Now, with all that context, that Poles where coexisting peacefully with Jews before the war, that countless of them have sacrificed their own lives and lives of their families to help them during their brutal extermination, even they now get called antisemitic when pointing out Israel’s tactics are no different than what Hitler did to them.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

I'm not sure if anyone even cares anymore, and given how nukes are in the hands of most of the countries turning fascist including Israel, everyone on the planet needs to worry now.

[–] maryjayjay@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Dude. I could be wrong, but I think the guy you're replying to is on your side. Are you raging at him or the mayor? Because it seems like the first

[–] RustnRuin@lemm.ee 41 points 11 months ago (1 children)

To me, it clearly seemed to be directed at the mayor.

[–] maryjayjay@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Okay. I'm clearly in the minority. I'm not sure why it was a reply and not a top level comment, but I'm willing to go with it

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That really is my bad. I wanted to reply to this quote which really stabbed at the heart of the problem and, for a moment, considered that I might confuse people by "speaking" directly to mayor for literary effect, but then decided I was being overly-anal. Sorry that I confused you, but yes, I was passionately angry at the mayor's mischaracterization of the situation in order to play the helpless victim. The only offense committed by !floofloof@lemmy.ca is perhaps one of underfloofiness.

[–] maryjayjay@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Most of us here share your outrage. Peace, bro.

[–] stringere@reddthat.com 1 points 11 months ago

I may never recover from my outrage over the unfloofiness of this situation.

[–] BreadstickNinja@lemmy.world 45 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And if the death of, by the latest count, 764 Israeli civilians is a Holocaust, what does that make the death of 12,000 Palestinian civilians?

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)

In the minds of those who see Palestinians as "untermenschen" - subhumans - their lives don't count the same as human lives. (An Israeli government official quite literally and openly in a press conference deemed Palestinians to be "human animals").

This shit we're seeing is the violent expression of the most cold, cruel and extreme racism, all endorsed and even militarilly and diplomatically supported by the US (which is the ultimate hypocrisy from such loudly self-proclaimed defenders of "freedom").

[–] Strobelt@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Freedom (Terms and conditions apply)

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 39 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And to actually say you wanted to recreate the horrors of it. Like explicitly say that. That's a special level of non-self-awareness.

[–] chitak166@lemmy.world 29 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Zionists are the new Nazis.

Treat Zionism like you would treat Nazism.

Treat Zionists like you would treat Nazis.

Israel has killed more civilians in 2 months than Russia has killed in 2 years, just to put things into perspective.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

For such people the limits on to the harm done to "them" are entirelly different of the limits on the harm done to "us" - it's the ultimate two-weights-two-measures and you can see that splattered all over Israeli propaganda (starting by the whole "it ain't terrorism if done by us" that anchors most of the messaging).

That said, these types being the full-blown german-style cold murderous ultra-racist Fascists, in their mind it's probably more "der ubermensch" vs "der untermensch" than "us" vs "them".

[–] chitak166@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

I think it's fucking dumb how the US supports Israel.

We only got attacked on 9/11 because of our support of Israel. Now we send them more support because they get attacked.

What exactly does Israel do for the US? Seems like being the main motivation behind the 9/11 attacks really outweighs any benefits they may have.

I don't see any benefits from supporting Israel, personally, as a United States citizen.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 8 points 11 months ago

The US doesn't have a great track record of "not supporting distopian regimes". They've either installed leaders with a dictatorial bent when the elected government wasn't doing what they wanted, or just supported their puppet in the area even though they did horrific things. Generally they think "the end justifies the means".

Apart from WW2, I can't think of any major foreign operation that Americans were involved with that hasn't blown up in their face sooner or later.

[–] pinkdrunkenelephants@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

Because it's assumed Israel's detractors also want to commit genocide, just on the Jewish people, who have largely been the victims of such throughout history.

Now the tables are turned and the world doesn't really know how to feel about it.

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world -4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I'm pretty sure that the hundreds of millions of dollars that George W Bush personally owed/owes to the Bin Laden family, that they loaned to him to prospect oil in Texas, which he somehow failed at, was a bigger personal motivator than just our support of Israel up to that point.

[–] chitak166@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

You'd be wrong about that.

Just read Bin Laden's actual words. He never mentions "your president personally owes me money." Lol. But I'm all for seeing what evidence you have to back up your claims.