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How can laws, justice or morality exist then?
They don't. All three of those change, sometimes drastically, depending on the person asked and the culture they live in. If all humans vanished, those three things will vanish with us.
That's not true. Other species have altruism and social behaviors akin to those principles. Plus almost all cultures have at least some sort of ruleset, showing it's objectively important and real. Social groups have to regulate behavior of individuals to exist and that is a fact regardless of the species.
Stop with this r/iam14andthisisdeep edgelord bullshit. Justice, laws and morality are very, very real. Just because they're immaterial doesn't mean they're not real. They influence every aspect of your life, especially when they're not enforced.
Other species could and would rise to become an intelligent, technological species if we disappear and would therefore end up having their own, even if it manifests in a different way.
It's not edgelord bullshit. It's just a simple truth. Other species may present with some manner of social contract, but it would likely be very different to anything we call morality or justice.
They are ideas from human minds that we agree to live by for the most part. Same with currency and many other social constructs. Since evolution is constantly happening and imperfect, those ideas are imperfect and constantly changing, sometimes dissolving away.
We might not even be a self, but instead, we are an ongoing process evolved to see itself as a self. The concept of free will needs a pretty big rewrite as well, if there even is such a thing.
I'm only scratching at the surface of very deep and intricate topics of course. This isn't exactly the best place for more in depth discussion, but for an example of where I learn this edgelord shit, the book I'm chewing through now is https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/439332.
I'll add to that, that you can just consider that still to this day, cannibal human beings exist, and to them, it is moral and ethical, because it is part of their culture. That is "morally" and ethically reprehensible to us, but we exist in a different sphere of influence than them. Does this make them wrong? If so, then by who's metric? I agree with your opening sentence, btw. Don't have time to get into the weeds and read all of this right now though. Just got off work.
Lol oh no, it's 100% moral relativism edgelord bullshit dumbasses use to justify doing whatever they want without consequences.
What other species do to regulate social behavior isn't much different from what we do, and if you bothered to research it instead of talking out of your ass, you'd know that. Google. It.
Now in the real world where adults pay bills, people universally accept the concepts of laws and justice because they are the means by which we regulate behavior to protect ourselves and each other from harm. When people do not enforce them, we get situations like the one we're in now, and society collapses.
When you grow up, you'll understand.
How about a third chime? You're both right and that's the entire point of this philosophical debate as it occurs in scholarly spaces.
Whether humans and our concepts are unique to us is simply unknown. We don't know if what we think of as morality and justice are universal beyond our species. If they aren't, then they're just social constructs that humans have used to regulate society (something that shouldn't be understated at incredibly important btw) rather than more base truths of life.
Petty insults and surface level understanding. You pretend to know, but do not.
You can wholeheartedly fuck yourself off into the sun for that comment. Very ironic that you lead with "such and such is edgelord bullshit" though.
I've no reason to fuck myself when your mom is so much more satisfying. :-*
There. You'd rather immaturity than the truth, so enjoy it. Your mom sure as hell did when I gave her the truth last night
They're social constructs for the most part. Try to apply your concept of laws, justice and morality with a paramecium in a drop of water.
Being a social construct doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Being immaterial doesn't mean something doesn't exist.