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I noticed there wasn't a TST Lemmy community. The Satanic Temple is a modern satanic religion that aims to promote human rights and compassion. Check out their about page on their official website at https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/about-us. Note that this community is not an official affiliation. TST is also separate and not affiliated with the Church of Satan, who have a slightly different viewpoint of what satanism truly is. Dunno what to post in here, but maybe some will search for this and take part. Hello!

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Satanic display at Iowa Capitol vandalized ‘beyond repair’; arrest made (www.kcrg.com)

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DES MOINES, Iowa (KCRG) - On Thursday, the Satanic Temple of Iowa announced that their display at the Iowa Capitol had been significantly damaged.

The controversial display, which Iowa Governor Kim Reynolds called “objectionable,” featured a ram’s head covered with mirrors on a mannequin before being damaged.

Organizers say it’s a symbol of their right to religious freedom.

The Satanic Temple of Iowa posted the following message on their Facebook page:

“This morning, we were informed by authorities that the Baphomet statue in our holiday display was destroyed beyond repair. We are proud to continue our holiday display for the next few days that we have been allotted.

We ask that for safety, visitors travel together and use the 7 Tenets as a reminder for empathy, in the knowledge that justice is being pursued the correct way, through legal means.

KCCI has reported that 35-year-old Michael Cassidy of Lauderdale, Mississippi, was charged with Criminal Mischief in the 4th Degree. He has since been released.

Solve et Coagula! Happy Holidays! Hail Satan!”

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[–] Dempf@lemmy.zip 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What are the alt right links? That would be odd considering how pro-abortion TST is, but the alt-right has never been known for making sense.

As I'm sure you're aware, it's strange and laughable that people are accusing us of working together.

The hostility of this community seems to mirror some of the stuff that the ex-members were talking about. Personally I don't think it's a winning strategy, but then again I'm the one on the receiving end of it, so I would say that. At this point it's difficult for me to walk away with a positive impression of TST going forward.

I realize JAQ-ing off is a thing, but I don't think I'm doing that. This is genuinely the first time I'm encountering the stuff you're talking about, and my first impression was "wtf, that's clearly SLAPP". I could have found a kinder way of saying that. But at the same time, people seem way more interested in discrediting the two of us, than engaging with the issue.

That may just be the nature of the community. It's certainly not winning me over.

[–] leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What are the alt right links?

One is one of the TST's owners (used to be? Still is? Not sure) a friend of a guy called Shane Bugbee who's a mid-level figure in the alt-right movement. Bugbee claims to have inspired the idea of TST but is now a member of CoS I believe. Bugbee wanted to publish the right-wing book 'Might Is Right' and one of the current TST owners offered to do the artwork for it. I think that project fell through through though.

Another is the association between Milo Yiannopoulos and TST's (current or past, not sure which) Director of Ministry. They were apparently friends up to 2016 and they are, also apparently, not friends any more when Stevens, who used to be part of the manosphere up until joining TST, says they stopped seeing each other.

That didn't stop one of the owners of TST stating that a protest by TST Satanists at the planned inclusion of Yiannopoulos at a Cal Poly campus event was not official and:

The Satanic Temple was not in any way involved in this, nor would we be,” said Greaves. “The Satanic Temple are firm advocates for free speech and, while we may not agree with the speaker in question on some issues…we would never move to have him censored from speaking. We are mortified to have our name falsely attached to this and hope it can be corrected immediately

TST owners sent that clarification to Breitbart (organisers of Yiannopoulos speaking event I believe), that well know progressive, equality loving publication.

Seems like the concerns of ordinary TST members were a distant second in TST's owners list of priorities.

Greg Stevens also edited a book by alt-right manosphere writer Mike Cernovich in the dim dead ancient times of 2015 (aka 8 years ago).

Maybe he's suddenly not friends with him anymore either.

I'm definitely not suggesting that TST owners are part of the alt-right, that would be a weird thing for such a pro-abortion group to be a part of, but these not-very-old links do bother me. At the very least I would've thought they would've not put Stevens into such a very prominent role where he has influence over so many people. You don't go from manosphere alt-right to ultra-progressive at the snap of your fingers. It takes time to get over shit like that.

As I’m sure you’re aware, it’s strange and laughable that people are accusing us of working together.

I do get it. A lot of TST members (who as I've already said are on the whole decent people) have sunk a lot of time and effort into TST. It's only natural for them to hit back.

[–] Dempf@lemmy.zip 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Thank you very much for the detailed reply.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that so many familiar names keep showing up, as large portions of the "new atheist movement" have been co-opted by the alt right.

I try to avoid judging people merely for having friends, since I have a few friends myself who are wrapped up in the alt-right. They are important to me for reasons that have nothing to do with politics, and I think it's important to find even a little common ground, despite our differences. At least, I prefer it over loudly rejecting people.

On the other hand, there's a difference between having a friend, and offering to do artwork for an right wing book. I haven't read that particular book, but the Wikipedia summary on it seems pretty messed up, looks like there's plenty of white supremacism and "women as property" sort of stuff.

I do get it. A lot of TST members (who as I've already said are on the whole decent people) have sunk a lot of time and effort into TST. It's only natural for them to hit back.

That does make sense, and I'm trying (and probably failing) to not take the comments on here too personally. My experience going to a TST rally was the people I met were really kind, decent people.

[–] leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 11 months ago

Sure, guilt by association is tenuous at best. Thats why I was at at pains to stress I don't think TST is infiltrated by the alt-right. The links are (to me) troublesome but more indicative of a lack of judgement on TST owners part than outright malice. Putting someone who was a name and friends with bigger names in the manosphere/alt-right in such an influential position is (again, to me) concerning. The alt-right are/were fairly cultish and I think at the very least, Stevens needed a LOT more time to be 'deprogrammed' (if that's the right word) before reaching that level of influence.

My experience going to a TST rally was the people I met were really kind, decent people

I never attended a rally (I'm not American which is where TST are biggest) but I have chatted online with numerous TST and ex-TST people and all of them without fail are good people who believe in the 7 tenets and try to do good things. I'm just not sure how much good you can do as a member of an org when the ownership of that company/religion do and say (to put the best possible spin on it) things that seem to directly countermand those tenets.

I hope TST owners take this chance to legally pursue the person who's vandalised their display. That would show two things - that they see the possibility of making a noise about the hypocrisy of xtians who live in a country with freedom of religion and also that they're more interested in pursuing a legal course that might achieve a lot more than suing a few ex-members for absolutely zero reason and zero gain.