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    [–] waldyrious@lemm.ee 62 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    IMO both of these ended up being poor names.

    "Open source" can be co-opted to mean any project with public source code even if it's not open contribution (think SQLite, and many of the projects effectively run by major tech corporations).

    "Free software" falls victim to the eternal mixup with freeware, requiring the endless repetition of the "beer vs. speech" analogy.

    I personally think "Libre software" is the term that best encapsulates the intended meaning while being unambiguous and not vulnerable to misinterpretation.

    [–] fidodo@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)
    [–] miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

    FLOSS

    More people need to hear that either way

    [–] jsnc@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    FOSS is even worse. Free and Open Source makes it sound like free of charge and see my source code.

    It's also a politically neutered term and an acronym of conflated concepts.

    [–] douglasg14b@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    FOSS is... Literally as you described it.

    What is there to conflate? It's pretty obvious.

    [–] jsnc@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    FOSS attempts to conflate two different positions on software by presenting them as one entity. FLOSS is a better term for pure neutrality's sake but still falls in the same trap (attempting to send meaning as acronym/conjoining two historically different movements). Free software advocates do not bother with a neutral term because we desire a world of total software liberation and an ultimate death to non-free software. Open-source movements seek to collaborate with proprietary software or at the very least not to get in its way (it seeks olive branches over systemic change). Each group's rhetoric serves to reflect this fundamental difference. There is an overlap in both movements, but each person has to choose between compliance to the status quo or fighting to break it altogether.

    Look at it this way, hypothetically, if it turned out that the Linux kernel was objectively the technically superior computer kernel to have ever existed and will ever exist and everyone in the entire world knew this: we would still end up in the same exact status quo because corporate oligarchs are already allowed to use the kernel to subjugate their users (nonfree firmware, tivoization/weak copyleft, proprietary userland) and have enough leftover propaganda (what they call marketing) and staying power to ensure their survival. Or in other words: if Linus Torvalds, the man who figuratively holds the keys to the most successful open source project in the world (that powers the entire internet) is still subjugated by firmware blobs and nonfree drivers, what chance do we have with these unethical firms?

    FOSS is… Literally as you described it ... It’s pretty obvious.

    Please don't reduce decades of uncomfortable and complex history to what is a marketable buzzword. I doubt we disagree all too much here, but the goal is to educate, not condense and dilute.

    [–] bady@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    "Freedom-respecting software" is another less ambiguous term.

    [–] TheInsane42@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

    That would be a better description indeed.

    [–] mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    English language...

    Many other languages have different words for each type of free

    [–] AccountMaker@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

    And yet our professors at university translated "free software" using our word meaning "free of charge", my ears bled. It should have been libre software from the beginning.

    What sucks more was my CS teacher translating term "Open source" as free of cost lol. How the fuck