We still don't have affordable alternatives for areas where there is no public transportation or non-car options. A lot of people are barely paying their bills and can't even consider buying an electric car right now. Not that electric cars are really the answer either. We have a long way to go from where I stand.

[–] rosymind@leminal.space 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, like what are we supposed to do when there are few side-walks, work is 30-1hr away at freeway speeds, and public transit is either dirty, unreliable, or unsafe?

Most of us want to do away with our fossil fuel dependancy- but we need better options.

And before anyone says walk or take a bike, that isn't feasable for everyone

[–] force@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

and public transit is either dirty, unreliable, or unsafe?

Or non-existant. See: most of the US (please send help, passenger rail doesn't exist here and I live less than an hour from a city)

[–] Kyyrypyy@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Interesting tidbit about public transport: there are electric busses. Those busses are used in the northern hemisphere, mainly to advertise to the public how "eco friendly the company is" to consumers. Those busses are heated by diesel aggrigators, and require to burn more fuel than what driving a diesel bus would need for the routes. And apparently diesel busses do not require this kind of upkeep when on standby.

[–] bob_lemon@feddit.de 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A quick search does not yield a single site backing up your claim. Do you have a source?

[–] Kyyrypyy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I live in a nordic country, very proud of it's nature, and I know bus drivers.

In all honesty, I'd not be surprised if these cases were isolated, but that has been the greivance of these drivers.

The alternatives to this would be a heated hall, or finding a way to power the heating with renewable energy, but then again, diesel is cheaper than the alternative, and most of the passengers have no idea. There isn't any proper sanvtions to incentivice not doing this, and considering our current ruling parties, probably won't be either, but I consider this to be something that should be more talked about.

[–] 7of9@startrek.website 11 points 1 year ago

That is not true.

[–] lugal@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 year ago

The problem aren't those who can't afford green alternatives, the problem are those who can afford too much non-green alternatives. The ecological footprint is more or less proportional to the paycheck. #eattherich

And while the ecological footprint is problematic when applied to individuals, it shows quite good which group of people is the problem.

[–] SasquatchBanana@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I'm okay with more rural areas if the cities have a robust public infrastructure and carbon emissions. Over time, rural areas should be integrated more intimately of course.

[–] Franzia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago

If I had a bus to take I'd save myself a gas tank at a time.

[–] SirStumps@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I feel like hybrid is a good middle ground until we crack some code.