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[–] goat@sh.itjust.works 75 points 10 months ago (9 children)

i can usually understand most political views, but libertarians just make me confused

[–] CptOblivius@lemmy.world 49 points 10 months ago

You are still not half as confused as the average libertarian.

[–] WaltJRimmer@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I can almost understand the Personal Liberties Libertarian, which I think is what the philosophy was originally supposed to be about. But we often see Corpo-National Libertarians or Totally-Not-An-Anarchist-I-Swear Libertarians, and both of those are baffling to me.

[–] xmunk@sh.itjust.works 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yea, the only brand I ever sympathized with was the "Hey man, just let me smoke weed"-bertarians... but all those guys jumped ship a long time ago.

Now it's mostly just "I don't want to pay for schools"-bertarians... and that's ironic because those assholes really need an education.

[–] hushable@lemmy.world 2 points 9 months ago

I've meet way too many libertarians who don't want their taxes to go fund cycle lanes because they don't ride a bicycle. "it does not benefit me" they say while they fail to see that people in bicycles mean fewer people in cars clogging up traffic.

Libertarian world view cannot even see past their nose

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

confused

You've understood.

[–] _xDEADBEEF@lemm.ee 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It always seems like "common sense" (short-sighted and moronically simplistic) solutions to problems they don't understand but waffle on about something tangentally related to make it sound like they do.

[–] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

I don't think most of it is common sense. I'm a voluntarist, which is an ethical position for me.

[–] hltdev@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

it's like I'm always with them for the first few seconds, then they just go way off base out of knowhere at some unexpected point in time

[–] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

just make me confused

It's very simple. They incorporate as a superperson. You're a human, somewhat rich. You get a corporation. You put it on like a magic suit and you have super-immunity (impunity) from laws, you can do anything.

The freedom that they want is the freedom to exercise their power (money) with no bad consequences for them.

[–] Mammal@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It's a simple theology: "Me first. Fuck you. Every man for himself."

While it fits great on a bumper sticker, it's a suboptimal strategy to build an economy, nation-state, or anything really.

[–] Luisp@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 months ago

It's neoliberalism

[–] Coki91@dormi.zone -3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

This move is a necessity in Argentina's Political and Economical situation, by shutting down the Central Bank (and subsequently moving to Dollars) Milei is killing the Politicians' (long standing and abused) Ability to finance themselves with monetary emissions (their Agendas and Deficient governments just to not say corrupt money laundering), which is the cause of inflation, which makes all Argentines poorer by the hour.

It is if not his biggest, one of the major promises on his campaign and the one most people voted him for, Argentines understand (as seen trough Random Street interviews) that this will create major hiccup on Economy while they transition to dollar, but given it's long tern effects are willing to put up with it

[–] ours@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sounds like they want to heal the country by murdering it's economy.

[–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Amputating a Cancer-Infected Leg to save a whole body is a common practice. The prosthetic replacement comes later

[–] ours@lemmy.world 4 points 9 months ago (1 children)

But they are doing it with a chainsaw and set to let the patient bleed out.

[–] Coki91@dormi.zone 1 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Like we have been for the past 2 decades!

[–] ours@lemmy.world 1 points 9 months ago

Best of luck with that.

[–] KevonLooney@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The long term effects are going to be serious whiplash. The monetary regime would go from severe inflation to super low inflation (below what Argentina needs). They will essentially be using Argentinian Government funds to buy US dollars, thereby helping the US keep its inflation under control.

That's good for the US, but Argentina may fall into a recession. Growing economies need a growing money supply or businesses will not be able to borrow money to expand. By essentially hitching their economy to the slower growing US economy, Argentina is ensuring that their businesses pay high interest rates to borrow money. The US government is paying you 5%, risk free. Why tf would anyone loan money to Argentina less than 10-15%?

Remember how US tech companies all fired people at the same time when the Federal Reserve increased interest rates (it happened)? That's what will happen to many companies in Argentina at the same time.

Edit: lol, he was just lying about "dollarization" for votes because it's nuts:

He added no dollarization was planned in the short-term, as fiscal and monetary stabilization were need, the first source said.

https://news.yahoo.com/finance/news/milei-economic-team-led-former-175214678.html

[–] Coki91@dormi.zone 0 points 10 months ago

Yes, its gonna be serious and difficult, but like said they are willing to put up with it... with they I mean the 55% that voted him of course...

And no, the dollarization was not a lie, like he said (his whole campaign...) it's for the long term, first comes solving the gigantic Economical Deficit the State currently generates, then it's Public Organization's and then cutting taxes, only then he'll move forward with it obviously because otherwise is suicide.

And this is very important to remark: News Outlets other than Javier Milei's Official Twitter Account or the Government's Official Channel (after December 10) ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED. You may think this is just him shielding against media "calling him out" but there is a serious issue with Argentina's News outlets: They are funded by the current government and are VERY functional to it. Other International Media arent necessarily but yeah it's obviously more profitable to report "Argentina's new president is A NAZI" than "Argentina's New President Denies the Made up Number of Dictatorship deaths" (which just in case, the authorities that made up the number did confess to making it up in national TV)

Hell, its even as bad he's been putting "Official Communication" posts to clarify that what the media is saying about his proposals or plans is false, including those claims of him backing down on Dollarization.

[–] Saltblue@lemmy.world 0 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I'm sure crime will not rise up when people have no food because they don't have dollars, I'm sure people will not go out violently on the streets and raise hell, yes the policy may be be beneficial to those who have their on dollar reserve, but the rest? Save my comment, and hope that doesn't happen.

[–] Coki91@dormi.zone 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

You mean the heists that have happened since August of this year when the dollar was even lower than now? Or are we talking about actual big amounts of people dying for not having money or food and insecurity striving like in the pandemic Two Years ago? (Argentina being one of the worst casualties rate of the world with covid, thanks to the current government)

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah that says a lot about Argentina. If you have two brain cells even, just to rub together a little bit, you realize this is an idiotic idea, incompatible with taking part in the modern, global economy.

[–] Coki91@dormi.zone 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Except that there's countries that did the exact same thing and are doing fine. There's also the ones that dont and it shows it's a gamble.

Not taking the Gamble however means to take the risk-free secure pathway to Venezuela and luckily majority of Argentines understood that.

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Great! A majority of the unwashed masses, half of whom are illiterate. I'm not really interested in what another illiterate person thinks about economics, either. Shows a total lack of appreciation for Argentina's most imminent, existential problems, and now you have a majority of the country tricked by a charlatan, and they're excited about it!

Thanks, social media, for giving know-nothings an "equal" voice. /s

[–] Coki91@dormi.zone 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

What are you on about with Social Media? For the WHOLE elections Social's were INUNDATED with Ads and Publicity of Fear Campaign against Milei (from the current government and friends which Official Spending numbers could have paid a lot of debt mind you)

The fact that most people voted for him still is a telling that they are not able to be tricked.

Well, yeah that's also what democracy is about, no matter your conditions you have a voice, regardless of how educated that is... cough 45% cough . But most of all why would they need to all be Economists to vote for the guy that IS an economist and his economic proposals at that when his opponents have given 0 Proposals ALL COMBINED

[–] JustZ@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You don't need to be an economist to see he's a moron. Just listen to him for five minutes. Obviously, you got tricked, though, so....

Innumerate and illiterate!

[–] Coki91@dormi.zone 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Obviosly he's a Moron, any person with 2 Braincells would run for President, Win and continue the status quo stealing from Argentines like the previous 20 Years politicians have, afterall there's been no consequences for them.

But he's not doing that, instead he's complied with his campaing promises and pushes to break Argentina's decadence with a radical change that so many promised and backed out after winning, putting himself at the stake most of all

So yeah, absolutely crazy from him. Voters? About to be defined