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[–] NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 37 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I find it weird that people so vehemently deny that Hamas builds infrastructure near civilian sites. It’s well documented. Doesn’t excuse the thousands of civilians that Israel has killed in this horrible war, but that level of collateral damage is one of Hamas’ aims to shape public opinion. Israel is foolish for feeding into that, they’ve squandered international good will for a goal I don’t think is attainable.

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

It's been mind-boggling to see. I mean, "well documented" is kind of an understatement. And so is "near," actually. Hamas tries to literally merge their infrastructure with civilian infrastructure, making it impossible to differentiate between the two, with the express purpose of using civilians as human shields.

And yes, "foolish" is also an understatement. Israel's conservative-controlled government has responded exactly as Hamas wanted them to. It was a trap, an obvious one, and they fell right into it.

[–] BartsBigBugBag@lemmy.tf 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The former Israeli PM admitted in an interview that Israel built the bunker underneath Al-Shifa hospital.

[–] quicksand@lemm.ee 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

So far there's zero proof they did. Having to knock a building down to gain access to the entry point would heavily imply that it wasn't recently used and probably hasn't been done Israel walled it of with cement.

There's better evidence that smuggling tunnels that existed before Hamas was even a thing have been used offensively by both sides at one point or another though no credible evidence has surfaced of their use in this conflict.

Honestly it would be kind of dumb to use such shallow tunnels because Israel has flying gpr that can detect tunnels. It's why tunnels weren't super common fighting isil or al queda, it's a ton of time and energy when hiding in plain sight is cheaper less resource intensive and less obvious when your imports and exports are controlled externally by an adversarial nation.

https://www.wired.com/2007/11/watch-out-iran/

[–] Hatsune_Miku@lemmy.world -3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

probably because they support the actions or are so binary in their beliefs that there can't be two bad guys

[–] blahsay@lemmy.world -3 points 11 months ago

Hamas attacked, committed the most sickening acts (murdered and kidnapped baby's and women to rape) and took hostages back to gaza. Israel was never going to sit back quietly after that (or could anyone).

That was Hamas's plan though. Cause as much suffering as possible to their own people to generate propaganda against Israel and hopefully isolate them for later attacks.

The most sickening thing is the Hamas betrayal of their own people. To use them in this way is beyond barbaric.