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The International Cricket Council has become the latest sports body to ban transgender players from the elite women’s game if they have gone through male puberty.

The ICC said it had taken the decision, following an extensive scientific review and nine-month consultation, to “protect the integrity of the international women’s game and the safety of players”.

It joins rugby union, swimming, cycling, athletics and rugby league, who have all gone down a similar path in recent years after citing concerns over fairness or safety.

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[–] greenmarty@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Just make it third category.

  • female sports won't get affected
  • fairness will increase
  • fans can watch their own "cup of coffee "
  • possible pretenders will no longer be motivated by easy winning
[–] PotatoKat@lemmy.world 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's own category with like 5 people in each sport. Great idea.

[–] greenmarty@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (22 children)

What is the alternative though that won't ruin female's sports that was built as part or followup of female's emancipation ?

[–] sunbytes@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Some sports do it based on what kind of puberty you went through.

As a significant number of the physical advantages come through going through male puberty.

That could be a good start.

[–] greenmarty@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] sunbytes@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A quick Google gave me this:

Several international governing bodies including World Athletics, World Aquatics and World Rugby have restricted trans women who had undergone male puberty from participating in the female category

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_people_in_sports

[–] greenmarty@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Oh i misunderstood i though you said that if someone is born one sex but get to transiaion by chems in puberty they are allowed.

[–] sunbytes@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

No, it depends which puberty they go through.

You can trigger whatever puberty you want by taking hormones/medication.

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[–] trashgirlfriend@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is just a complete non solution to the problem and effectively just ends up with trans people being banned from sports altogether.

"Trans" sports teams/leagues (whatever that means) can't really exist at the amateur local level anywhere but the biggest citiess due to there being not a lot of trans people, and even less trans people who want to play sports.

The struggle to even get enough trans guys or trans girls to form a team for football or whatever would be a challenge in and of itself, and then this team would pretty much have to fly across the country (or possibly to a different country altogether) to even play a match.

This is not a reasonable solution for anyone but the people who want to ban trans people from sports.

The second issue is that this is just fear mongering and not an actual issue to be solved but that's being argued all over this thread already.

[–] greenmarty@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

What is your suggestion than?

[–] interceder270@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Does he have to have a better suggestion in order to point out how yours isn't viable?

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[–] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Two categories:

  • Women
  • Open

Perfectly fair and simple.

[–] seliaste@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

It's already the case, most sports allow for women to play in men's leagues... But they don't. And trans women would suffer the same way cis women would in men dominated categories (or would they? Depends on the sport I guess, nobody would complain about trans women in F1 Academy I bet)

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

nobody would complain about trans women in F1 Academy I bet)

Fox news was complaining about a trans woman getting a participation medal in the London Marathon, which is a mixed event anyway. Never underestimate how much these people hate trans people.

[–] seliaste@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 year ago

Right, I'm sure they'll find a dumb excuse to hate on us.

[–] flashpanda@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] seliaste@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah I forgot about that... They're just so hateful haha there's no reason remaining

[–] teichflamme@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago
[–] greenmarty@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

women as females or identifier ? Open is males + trans females + trans males ?

[–] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Identity is irrelevant. The separation exists so that women get fair competition.

Women as in someone who was born as, and always has been, biologically female.

Open means everyone, unrestricted.

[–] greenmarty@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

I see so in other words keep it stricly male and female category and let female to enter male category by choice.
Then we are where se are with people lobbing for change.

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