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The International Cricket Council has become the latest sports body to ban transgender players from the elite women’s game if they have gone through male puberty.

The ICC said it had taken the decision, following an extensive scientific review and nine-month consultation, to “protect the integrity of the international women’s game and the safety of players”.

It joins rugby union, swimming, cycling, athletics and rugby league, who have all gone down a similar path in recent years after citing concerns over fairness or safety.

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[–] kttnpunk@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Capitalism ruining good things, as always. In the case of trans men on testosterone, though, who cares? I feel like that just levels the playing field for them generally. And as a trans woman? Estrogen has fucked up my body's ability to build muscle if anything. These arguments all boil down to excuses.

[–] anlumo@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Even on estrogen, the power level is nowhere near equal to born women. I personally think that the only fair solution is to have separate trans divisions, but there's the question whether there are enough contenders for that. Even women often have problems, I know a kickboxing slender woman who constantly complains about not being able to find competitors and always having to compete at a severe disadvantage.

[–] kttnpunk@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Says who? Why segregate sports in the first place? Why can't they just exist for the sole purpose of fun? Does it really matter if trans people have a advantage? Are you that afraid of trans people succeeding? Is any of this really enough to justify dehumanizing trans+intersex people and shunting them out of another public space?

[–] anlumo@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why is it dehumanizing to have a separate division? Is it dehumanizing for women to have a separate division?

You can do sports for fun, but not the one with the money behind it. The one without the money behind it is not the one you can see in broadcasts, it happens elsewhere. Because broadcasts cost money, and so those are interlinked.

So, the whole topic is only about the one with the money behind it, aka the one not done for fun.

[–] kttnpunk@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Because trans people are their gender, and because intersex and nonbinary people exist too and we all deserve to have access to the same opportunities as others. That means the big, televised sports too. Gendered divisions don't give cis women a fair chance at a national platform either, comparatively and oftentimes unduly sexualize the players. If you want any given game to be fair every single team should have a certain distribution among height/weight classes if not among genders as well. There is no reason I see most sports can't be coed either if this is practiced. It's almost like it was never about fairness in the first place... 🤔

[–] anlumo@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

That means the big, televised sports too.

I never said otherwise.

If you want any given game to be fair every single team should have a certain distribution among height/weight classes if not among genders as well.

That works for a team sport, but what about sport for a single person, like kickboxing/grappling/tennis/etc?