I think now is a great time to remind everyone, like sync's developer, Lemmy's developers need to be paid too! The amount of time all the devs put into making lemmy exist, in my opinion, should be worth some of your money. If you can afford it, donating to the people who develop lemmy and/or the people keeping your home instance up will accelerate the incredible growth of lemmy!

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[–] CapnAssHolo@sh.itjust.works 74 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Y'all just seething bc others are enjoying things. This is just cringe. This is not a zero sum game. You can donate to lemmy devs/instance devs/fav. app devs and whatever else you like too.

And let's not pretend this is new. You could see a lot of memmy users being excited about their app too. I don't know what the hell they are talking about. But I'm glad they have an app they like that much.

Just. Let. People. Enjoy. Things.

[–] esty@lemmy.ca 19 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

i dont think theres anything wrong with sync enjoyers loving their app but i have to agree that the iap money would be better spent on actually keeping instances alive

[–] habanhero@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 years ago

This is such a bad take. By the same logic, the time you spend scrolling through Lemmy would have been better spent serving the homeless in the soup kitchen or sweeping the streets clean. But yet here you are. Why?

Let's face it, the "IAP money" you referred to has always been there, Sync dev found a way (and has the balls) to monetize his work to a pretty big extent. And only now are you all sour grapes about it. If Lemmy instances are so desperate for money why didn't they make an equally big effort to monetize? On the flip side, if money isn't such a big issue why do you care if Sync is monetizing?

[+] maajmaaj@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

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[–] APassenger@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

The last I read, the instance was already fully-funded through the end of the year.

Why is the notion that the instance is going under something lemmings keep bringing up? Yes... I understand the model. But it is fully funded - or was. Why are people acting like the instance is about to fail?

Should we start rumors that the instance is about the fail? Or... are recent facts useful, here?

Yes, there are other instances, but the preponderance of Sync users joined lemmy.world.

[+] APassenger@lemmy.world -8 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It's not either or. But I have now stopped donating because y'all can't get off this topic.

Hate the super-rich, not people with enough money left over at the month that they can afford a nicer way to interact with lemmy as intended - ad free.

That the server needs people with extra cash to support it is exceedingly valid. That's why I had been donating until literally 10 minutes ago.

I'm not subsidizing people who feel entitled to: Free shit Using free shit to tell others how they should spend (Acting like my money is theirs)

It's a simple boundaries issue that so many on Lemmy don't seem to comprehend.

When I stopped my donation, there was "other" then a box to say why. I filled it in. It's just one donation that stopped, but who knows, there could be more.

[–] lukecooperatus@lemmy.ml 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

I have now stopped donating because y'all can't get off this topic.

When I stopped my donation, there was "other" then a box to say why. I filled it in. It's just one donation that stopped, but who knows, there could be more.

You stopped supporting the server you use because some other people (on different servers) commented about another topic entirely? I don't understand the logic behind that. Are you under the impression that someone posting from lemmy.ca is secretly the maintainer of lemmy.world? What's the logical connection here for you?

[–] APassenger@lemmy.world -1 points 2 years ago

Thank you for asking and a thoughtful response.

I'm (hopefully obviously) not opposed to supporting lemmy.world or the devs. I don't expect free stuff.

I have run into more than a couple people who have needed to opine and troll because they have strong feeling about people enjoying Sync.

The lemmyverse has at least one starting point and maybe I'm still learning. What I see is a place begun in a somewhat communist, left leaning, pro-FOSS standpoint. I suspect that demographic is inclined to thought processes I can't grok.

I understand class resentment (I do; I'm not wealthy (at all)). I understand fatigue with people geeking out over an app that underwhelms a person of other tastes (or means).

That said, I see your distinction. One of the virtues of lemmy is that it's a loose federation. But people from a variety of servers have argued in poor faith (or just not seen what they're doing).

I expect disagreement. It's part of why I'm here: to hear well reasoned counter points and to learn. But it's difficult to say lemmy.world has been happy about the newcomers. That I've seen anyhow.

If making the point that allies are being alienated in ways that matter to us all, helps make a point that we could be friends, then I'll make that point.

I did end my subscribed support that would have outpaced my Sync spend within a year (you can math that). Lemmy, right now, has an unwelcoming vibe that's not even a little background. It is foreground. And problematic if this experiment is going to work.

[–] esty@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

all i said is better spent, not that you’re not allowed to spend money on sync; and you talk about it like you’re forced to pay to browse lemmy without ads when it’s sync that has ads and not lemmy?

Strange comment

[–] APassenger@lemmy.world -4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I happily supported the dev. Just as I had happily supported the server.

OP mentions sync, you mention sync, I mention sync (eww thats crass), you mention sync... first line comments mention sync in frustrated tones. Are you going to lecture them too?

I know the misrepresent-and-fatigue strategy of argumentation and I'm not going to play. I've seen it a surprising amount here on Lemmy and you're doing it now.

If honesty or integrity don't mean a lot to you, I'd recommend turning over the soap box.

On topic, again: you, along with others, have persuaded me to cease donations but I don't retreat like you may hope.

This bastian of class resentment is going to have to adapt or close. If everyone here is what I'm seeing, I hope the person running the server has deep pockets. Or I guess everyone keeps instance hopping until everyone realizes it's not sustainable and instances aren't spun up.

I'm not wealthy, in the least, but I don't expect things for free. Lemmy has taught me I should. I'll apply that to the servers and development.

[–] esty@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago

Womp womp

[–] leraje@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You're absolutely correct. Anyone can enjoy any app they like and either pay for it or not.

But coming into a thread about ways to ensure Lemmy gets the support it needs to develop and instances get the support they need to keep going to tell everyone how much you love your app is infantile.

[–] Coehl@programming.dev -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

~~The OP called people out for using that specific app. Getting mad that they're not taking it lying down? That is infantile.~~

Edit: this is inaccurate. Rephrased below

[–] leraje@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Here's what OP said:

"With all this talk about Sync pricing...I think now is a great time to remind everyone, like sync’s developer, Lemmy’s developers need to be paid too! The amount of time all the devs put into making lemmy exist, in my opinion, should be worth some of your money. If you can afford it, donating to the people who develop lemmy and/or the people keeping your home instance up will accelerate the incredible growth of lemmy!"

How on Earth do you come to the conclusion that that is in any way calling Sync users out?

[–] Coehl@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Fair point. You know as you read through comments of a thread, you sometimes allow the original message to meld with the messages of most comments? I just did that, and should not have.

Let me rephrase to "because of the sync mention by the OP, there is a preponderance of lecturing coming from the FOSS purist community. It is infantile to expect no response to that".

[–] leraje@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I have to assume you're referring to things I've said as it would be pretty stupid to expect me to be answerable for things other people have said.

So, you let me know where I've made any comments in the entire thread that are based on Sync being a for-profit app and my lectures about the desirability of FOSS purism and I'll be happy to talk about them.

[–] Coehl@programming.dev 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

But coming into a thread about ways to ensure Lemmy gets the support it needs to develop and instances get the support they need to keep going to tell everyone how much you love your app is infantile.

This is what I was responding to.

Let me make a list of things that would be "stupid" to take from this.

That you are answerable for what others have said.
That you are among those that were prodding Sync users.

Here's the message that I got from what you said

Standing up for yourself is infantile

Feel free to tell me why my paraphrasing was inaccurate. That's the only useful direction this conversation can go from here. Not whatever the fuck direction that was that you just tried to take it in.

[–] leraje@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Let me make a list of things that would be “stupid” to take from this.

That you are answerable for what others have said.

Then why did you ask me to justify OP's post?

That you are among those that were prodding Sync users.

Then why did you try and make me answerable for what other people were saying?

Not whatever the fuck direction that was that you just tried to take it in.

It's pretty simple. You said:

“because of the sync mention by the OP, there is a preponderance of lecturing coming from the FOSS purist community. It is infantile to expect no response to that”

And clearly expected me to have some sort of ownership of, or participation in, that lecturing. I then pointed out to you that I didn't believe I had either but if you could find an example of me doing so I'd be happy to talk about it.

Feel free to tell me why my paraphrasing was inaccurate

Because it's not what I said. I said:

"You’re absolutely correct. Anyone can enjoy any app they like and either pay for it or not....But coming into a thread about ways to ensure Lemmy gets the support it needs to develop and instances get the support they need to keep going to tell everyone how much you love your app is infantile."

I'm not sure saying someone(s) coming into a thread which is nothing to do with Sync as a piece of software and proceeding to hijack it to be about Sync is infantile behaviour is directly equivalent to 'standing up for yourself is infantile'. They weren't standing up for themselves, they'd made an error in understanding what the thread was about and when informed what it was about got annoyed and asked why they 'couldn't just use what we want' or 'why do you care?' when as far as I can tell nobody (certainly not me) told them they couldn't use whatever app they wanted to, its simply not what this thread was about.

[–] Coehl@programming.dev 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

You really just aren't interested in boxing with anything but your own shadow, huh?

You've got all these assertions and things I've tasked you with doing, yet I never did and clearly indicated so in my previous post.

But goddamn, that's the only way you'll keep the egg off your face. If you can just make it look like I said that stuff. Right?

Pound sand. You've pissed me off with that disingenuous fuckin bullshit. You know exactly what you're doing and I loathe it.

[–] leraje@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

You really just aren’t interested in boxing with anything but your own shadow, huh?

By quoting exactly what you said and exactly what I said I'm shadow boxing? OK.

You’ve got all these assertions and things I’ve tasked you with doing, yet I never did and clearly indicated so in my previous post.

So you didn't ask me to justify OP's post? And you didn't expect a response from me when you talked about FOSS purists lecturing Sync users? If not, why on Earth did you even mention it?

If you can just make it look like I said that stuff. Right?

The trouble is, you did say that stuff. I've quoted you (and myself) directly. Now, if I've misunderstood either your words or the intent of your words, feel free to explain to me exactly where I've gone wrong and if I am wrong, I'll gladly and happily apologise.

I've also directly answered your request about the usage of the word 'infantile' but I see you've chosen to not see that. I can understand that.