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[–] lugal@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because sauce and horse are long and cross and boss are short, right?

I'm not a native speaker but our lord and savior Dr Lindsey made a great video about British English and what Americans get wrong about it.

For me as a second language learner, cross rhymes with boss but sauce neither rhymes with horse nor boss. But that's just me tho.

[–] buzziebee@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Great video! His stuff is brilliant. I'm a native speaker but every now and then one of his videos will pop up in my feed and I'll end up learning about how I talk lol. Highly recommended for anyone interested in fascinating deep dives into speech.

Whenever there are these kinds of threads there's always loads of people posting things like "sauce rhymes with boss not horse" or something.

This rhyming and text based approach is confusing because in different accents words might be pronounced differently than how the writer is pronouncing them and they may all rhyme or none of them may rhyme.

If you're not familiar with phonetic spelling (most people I know aren't) then audio clips with the differences are probably the way to go. Just typing random words isn't a great way of comparing accents.

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Per the (extremely fascinating) video, it seems that phonetic spelling from the dictionary doesn't always capture the correct pronunciation, or mechanically what is happening with the mouth... E.g. US "blue" with the 'w' at the end where we release the lips when done with the o. Hm.

I hadn't really thought much about how, mechanically, one has to reposition one's tongue, jaw, and lips to shift between the end and beginning of words and that can lead to a glide(?) or modulation if we speak without stopping airflow between words.

I suppose we should think of pronunciation in terms of motor planning for tongue, jaw, lips, etc. to be more accurately descriptive.