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[–] potatopotato@sh.itjust.works 78 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Yeah, a surprising number of people don't want these hyper complex cars with thousands of microchips and millions of lines of code operating them. Give me an electric 2012 Honda fit/Toyota matrix equivalent that just fucking works and costs $20k or less new.

[–] llii@feddit.de 50 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes please. I want my car to work without tracking and software updates.

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 3 points 1 year ago

Keep dreaming.

[–] BURN@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I’m just refusing to buy a car newer than 2008. Really an arbitrary cutoff, but that seems to be about when every car started to get as many electronics into them as possible.

[–] Damage@slrpnk.net 14 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I don't care about color changing LEDs in the trim or talking computers, just give me a cheap android-auto-compatible head unit (replaceable please, none of that integrated bullshit), a cheap instrument cluster and a real handbrake.

[–] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/advice/best-new-cars-under-20000

An EV at that price was always unrealistic the battery is 75% that cost. But an ICE under 20 is easy. People just want nicer shit when they see the vehicles or have to head to Mitsubishi.

[–] potatopotato@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Everyone's super obsessed with 300-400 mi ranges though. 100mi would be totally fine for most people and would require a small fraction of the battery (bigger batteries give decreasing returns)

[–] LemmyIsFantastic@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Until it's not, and then it's an expensive pain. I travel 500 + 700 miles three times a year and renting a car for a week isn't viable. There are enough edge cases just like that for most people.

Nobody wants to stop for 25 minutes (if you are lucky and don't have to wait in queue) on their longer trips.

The actual solution you agree looking for is PHEV. That's the middle ground that's perfect for most individuals.

The phev f150 is the most functional auto/tool for travel and work I've ever seen.

[–] tmjaea@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Got exactly that with a VW e up.

[–] ceiphas@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You know that the e up was cancelled by VW?