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[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 71 points 1 year ago (19 children)

Please, not fixing potholes have been around longer than the current Palestinian/Israeli and also a completely stupid reduction of the complexity of this whole fucked up situation.

[–] smooth_tea@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (6 children)

There's nothing complex about it. Israel imprisons an entire people and every time the UN tries to do something about it the US vetoes it.

The "it's complex" excuse is used to have people look the other way by turning it into a hopeless situation.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (5 children)

If there were some psychopaths that were insanely dedicated to killing you wouldn't you want there to be a fence between you and them? It's indeed not all that complex. Israel built a fence as a barrier between them and the psychopaths Palestinians elected to be their government. Seemed a better option than sending in the IDF to attempt a regime change. But apparently the fence wasn't effective, so not many options left other than regime change now.

Hamas has always been the problem. How would you protect people from these psychopaths?

[–] Morpheus@lemm.ee 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There would be no Hamas if israël hadn't invoked it. It was a response against the occupation and slaughtering israël had been doing since more than 70 years ago until now.

Now THAT'S overly simplifying things to the point of a flat out lie.

You act like every nation there (and beyond) hasn't wanted to kill Jews since before modern Israel.

Giving a different name to Hamas wouldn't change anything.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Palestinian people voted for Hamas after Israel removed their settlements and ended the occupation of Gaza. Israel withdrawing from Palestinian territory was not considered to be an act of peace, they saw it as an act of weakness and a sign they should vote for fascist strongmen to fight even harder. Maybe you're too young to have been around when that went down and your internet research didn't explain the circumstances in which Hamas took power. Gaza turned to fascism, leaving no real option for peace.

The emotional fervor that fascist propaganda provides is attractive to the young. But it's the same story we've seen before. Fascists take power, then because they can't stop having destructive conflicts their country ends up destroyed.

Hate destroys everything. Doesn't really matter what the justification for that hatred is, it destroys people and countries. Try not to let it destroy you, ok?

[–] smooth_tea@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

after Israel removed their settlements and ended the occupation of Gaza.

You seem to be living in an alternate universe where those things actually happened.

Here's the reality: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/06/israel-occupation-50-years-of-dispossession/

Also what does fascism mean? That's a rhetorical question by the way, we all know you're going to Google it and then delusionally shoehorn your interpretation in it.

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