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Regardless of how you power it, bringing thousands of pounds of steel with you to get to work or buy grocceries is inefficient. Cities really need to rethink the way they build and zone to promote higher densities and encourage walkability.
It's not even the energy that's really the issue; it's the space. Cars ruin cities by physically forcing origins and destinations to be far apart with wastelands of pavement in between. It destroys the viability of transit, makes it both laborious and downright unpleasant to walk, and even screws cities over financially because worthless pavement doesn't generate tax revenue, but costs a lot to maintain.
I agree but I do think that for the majority of people it would be easier to go from a fuel car to an electric car then it would be to having no car at all. Even if they don't use it daily it still offers them a feeling of freedom and flexibility. I know that you can also achieve that feeling using public transport / walking and cycling everywhere (Dutchie here) but it's quite the transition for people if you didn't grow up in an environment like that.
Its moreso the environment that allows a car free life to feel possible does not exist in the majority of American cities.
By design.
Having a car used to make my life more complicated, not simpler. I had to find a place where to put the damn thing daily, it cost a fortune. Granted, it came in handy once every four or five months. Still, I'm glad to have been car free for the last twenty years or so.
When I need one, I just rent it at one of the shops that are less than a km away. The rest of the time, I use my bike (I can hook a trailer to it if needed), the bus or the metro.
I've been wanting all corner stores and gas stations to not be allowed to sell junk chips and other trash and only produce, deli, breads and healthy foods. Logistics would suck for companies but I really don't give a damn about their problems
Have fun when all the corner stores go out of business with that braindead logic
Oh no...not the overpriced stores with nothing but chips pop and heavily salted junk..whatever will people do.
You seem to be universally detested around here. Totally not surprised by your idiotic reply. Keep spewing your garbage, adding you to the block list with the other twats
Why the fuck would you want to walk to the grocery store and back?
Pretending people would rather do that than use a car makes you straight up delusional
I really enjoy walking to my grocer instead of driving. I walk through a quiet neighbourhood with some large trees. Theres a hill with a nice view midway.
Hauling 50 pounds of groceries a couple miles is not enjoyable for the vast majority of people.
You need to rethink how cities are designed for walking to grocery stores to work. It won't in the US, because everything is designed for cars. But if a city is designed right, you won't need to go miles before finding a grocery store. You can take a cargo bike to haul more things at a time. You can stop by shops on your way home from work to pick up a couple things and stick them in a backpack.
Cities designed correctly reduce the burden on those walking or biking between points of interest that are no more than 1 or 2 miles away.
That’s nice and all, but the vast majority of people would still overwhelmingly choose the ease and comfort of a car when getting groceries over a bike.
... In the US.
FTFY
No.. the entire civilized world
Nah, I've lived in two places now where walking or cycling to get your groceries (or, gasp, just having them delivered) is way nicer. Because it sucks to drive and the store is just around the corner.
Y'all just don't have a clue what you're missing.
You do realize people live outside of dense cities right?
Talk about not having a clue lol
This isn't about rural areas. Obviously no one's expecting people on farms to go walk to a nearby store. But most people aren't on farms.
I’m not talking about farms, I’m talking about suburbs where most people do live.
Then I go back to my previous statement because you've clearly never seen a nice little dutch suburb :)
I’ve seen plenty of them. You’ve clearly never seen and/or can’t comprehend how spread out many countries are.
You do know that much of the US was built on the rail network and plenty of cities had transit systems that were the envy of the world until they decided against those in favor of the car and bulldozed city centers for parking? You're making it seem like this is impossible when it used to be the standard.
And cars are still exponentially more convenient than back then. So yea the chances of people willfully going back to that is practically impossible.
... In the US.
(And it's not because it wouldn't work ;))
If you think that’s just the US you are completely oblivious to the world around you.
Not just the US. But if think the rest of the world is as disinterested in making a change as you are, you'd (thankfully) also be very wrong.
Most people live in cities.
Speak for yourself.
Since I can walk there a few times a week, I tend to buy less grocceries at a time. The weight limit helps me budget for the week by preventing me from buying more than I need.
That sounds like a solution, and I'm glad you found it and it works for you, but walking and purchasing multiple times a week instead of once every two weeks is a much larger time commitment. This also really only works if you are buying for yourself and no one else.
You need to rethink how cities are designed for walking to grocery stores to work. It won't in the US, because everything is designed for cars. But if a city is designed right, you won't need to go miles before finding a grocery store. You can take a cargo bike to haul more things at a time. You can stop by shops on your way home from work to pick up a couple things and stick them in a backpack.
Cities designed correctly reduce the burden on those walking or biking between points of interest that are no more than 1 or 2 miles away.
How do you manage to keep produce fresh for 2 whole weeks?
A fridge, and the help of a roommate that also doesn't mind things that aren't "fresh" by the time we use them.
That’s sounds like an even a bigger pain in the ass lol
What sounds like a bigger pain in the ass to me is catastrophic global climate collapse. But any slight inconvenience is impossible to overcome for the most horribly lazy I guess.
My nearest grocery store is 15 minutes away by foot, such is easily doable. How close is yours?
Oh come the fuck on. Here's how easy it is to walk to a store and get groceries in a proper neighborhood: You just do. You get on your goddamn feet and you do it. Fucking idiot.
Even better you just use a bike. Boom. All the cargo space you need.
Most importantly: you go a few more times than once a goddamn month like you seem to imply, and you get less shit. Boom. 50 pounds of groceries my ass.
Hope the next time you slam your head into something, as you clearly have done many times, it makes you smarter rather than even more unbearably dumb.
How fucking stupid do you have to be to think everyone lives within a reasonable walking distance of a grocery store. It’s amazing people can be this oblivious to the world around them.
lmao
Why do you think everybody lives so far away from their nearest grocery store (in the USA)? Well, people did live close to their nearest store until the car happened, which enabled suburban development, and then enabled big box supermarkets which killed the little shops on the corner.
No one is expecting you to walk to the shops given how fucked your country is. Either the country repairs itself or the rest of us just forget about it, because the USA does look like a lost cause