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[–] agitatedpotato@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I bet the jammers were unsophisticated enough you could just program the GPS to continue moving in the direction where the over the air noise levels kept increasing.

[–] Longpork_afficianado@lemmy.nz 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Depending on the range at which the signals start to become jammed, it could be possible to navigate solely by IMU for the final leg also.

[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 3 points 10 months ago

For all the legitimate criticisms of Russian military, their EW and Counter-EW capabilities are actually world class. Which is why it is a big deal when they're destroyed, or captured.

[–] brianorca@lemmy.world -1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The bombs were probably using the encrypted military GPS frequencies that are more resistant to jamming.

[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Encryption isn't really a factor with this type of satellite navigation jamming, at least as far as I'm aware.

Frequency hopping however can be a used as a RF jamming countermeasure, but I'm not sure if that is really for satellite navigation systems.

The frequencies all satnav systems work on are also very specific and known. I would assume that any satnav jammers just jam all RF used by all GNSS constellations at once, but maybe they open up certain bands to allow for their own guided munitions at pre-scheduled times.

[–] SuperJetShoes@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

As another commenter said, I don't think cryptography is the main problem.

You've got to be able to modulate some numbers out of the radio signal first before you need to be concerned if it's encrypted or not.

GPS signals from power conserving satellites are so weak that I'd imagine that overwhelming them with noise on all frequencies would be the easy answer. (Although there's a Big Brain hyper-cunning answer to that...).

[–] brianorca@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Some GPS jammers are known to transmit, instead of noise, a bad signal which creates an offset in the timing to calculate a false position. But with encrypted military GPS, that's not as effective.

[–] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I don't think PGMs with M-Code GPS capabilities are being provided to Ukraine, but that is definitely something well outside of my casual knowledge base, so I'm open to being corrected.