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Norway’s prime minister says the Israeli army’s response to the deadly Hamas attack that killed 1,400 people and saw over 230 abducted by terrorists has been disproportionate, and denounces a “catastrophic” humanitarian situation in Gaza.

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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Apartheid is the main catalyst for violence. If normal people had lives they could look forward toz and see a future then Hamas would lose its support.

[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Gaza gets more than enough aid to build that sort of a future for it's people. We're talking billions of dollars of consistent aid for a population of about 2M. Just the UNWRA from 2014-2021 averaged $750M/yr of aid and the PA injected a further $1.7B in salary for non-working government employees living in the strip. That's enough to rebuild the Gazan airport every year. With that money they could have coated the strip with Ground Light Rail. They could have expanded the Commercial Port in Gaza City. In three years they could have built out fiber to every household in the strip.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/gaza-strip/#economy

$5000 GDP per Capita. That's pretty dire, especially considering Gaza has no ability to conduct trade, import supplies, build industries.

A 30% unemployment rate is huge....

The numbers sound big individually, but per Capita they are very poor.

[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

$750M in aid just from the UNWRA per year from 2017 to 2021. That's enough to rebuild their airport every single year. That's enough to coat the 23 mile spine with Ground Light Rail. That was enough to bring fiber Internet to every household in Gaza.

They're poor because their squandering massive amounts of aid. Can you imagine how much good that aid would do in Haiti?

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You literally repeated the comment I responded to. So let's just pretend I copy and pasted my response to your response.

[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lets then pretend I once again pointed out that Gaza has and has had the resources to build a vibrant prosperous future and this time you respond to it.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

ok... quoting my original response.

"The numbers sound individually big, but per capita are very poor"

[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 0 points 1 year ago

Per capital it's like 6 times the amount of aid Western Europe received in the Marshall Plan.

[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because it's still relevant. Gaza is getting more than enough aid to build a future. They're squandering it.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My response is still relevant. 5000 GDP is insufficient for a country that has no trade

[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It wouldn't have zero trade of they invested it in their infrastructure instead of spending it all on attacking Israel.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Gaza for the last 20 years or so, has been totally embargoed from trade. All trade must be approved by Israel, they're even restricting the amount of food that can go in, to the minimum caloric needs of the people.

They could have literally all the money on the planet, and it wouldn't do them a lick of good, because they can't trade, they can't build infrastructure, they're literally embargoed

[–] mwguy@infosec.pub 0 points 1 year ago

They can trade, they just have to throw out the people stockpiling rockets for indiscriminate, offensive warfare actions.

Look at all the money they spent on tunnelling and digging up new water infrastructure. They could have spent that on improving the lives of it's citizens and choose not to.