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Is She-Hulk actually bad or are the 'haters' just misogynists? (lemmy.world)
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[–] mlg@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's post endgame marvel content, which means it was made with a pre established equation from Disney.

So you'll see the exact same story flow, humor, and acting as every other marvel franchise, with very little originality beyond the premise.

Which means it's mediocre depending on your tastes.

What makes she hulk specifically unenjoyable though is the very obviously shoehorned diversity requirement by Disney. I want to be clear I'm not anti progressive in any way, but it really comes off as "We threw in this fad from Twitter to make you happy" type of material. Not something well thought out or interesting that many children's shows often do much better.

The plot and characteristics of the main character are still kinda dumb. Hulk gets sidelined as some useless dude. The ending was really stupid. And there's too much random stuff related to other marvel things which makes it harder for the show to stand out on its own or get new viewers interested.

It's really a hit or miss on whether or not you enjoy it, because there are some people who like this generation of marvel stuff, even though I personally find it really boring and not very well written.

On a somewhat related note, Ms Marvel had similar issues. The plot was dumb, the character was dumb, and the writing/acting played the very same with the same type of jokes and humor. It was kind of an insult to the comic because it completely missed the point of the original source material and instead was formed into another cookie cutter marvel franchise.

[–] BluesF@feddit.uk 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hold on what's the "obvious" shoe horned diversity in she hulk? Forgive me but it wasn't obvious to me, I watched it and found it generally entertaining and didn't spot any "token" characters or anything like that.

[–] DudeDudenson@lemmings.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

I'm not the person you're responding to but I think he was more referring to the shoe horned women issues bit. Like how half the plotline revolves around men being useless pigs and how she has no trouble being a hulk because she's a woman and she's been controlling her anger her entire life (???).

Like it doesn't feel like it's part of her life story but rather it feels like someone told a writer "make it wooookeeee we need to appeal to womeeeeennn". It mostly felt shoe horned in to me. Like that space show where all the characters are teenagers each from a different race and they spend the first few episodes making sly comments about race and gender like it was some woke teenage drama show

[–] BluesF@feddit.uk 6 points 1 year ago

Is that shoe horned though? I mean to me it feels like the whole plot of the show is all about Jennifer's experience as a woman both in and out of the She-Hulk persona. I think if you came away just with "she has no trouble being hulk because she's a woman" you missed the rest of the show where she struggles with various aspects of how becoming She-Hulk affects her - all of which directly or indirectly link to the general struggles of being a woman.

I think that is behind posters like the OP and why they are (reasonably) suspicious of negative press around a show with central feminist themes - like another commenter pointed out, there doesn't have to be a 'reason' to include minorities in a show, they just exist in the real world and so can exist in a show. Similarly, She-Hulk is a woman and thus faces the issues that women face, is it not reasonable for the show to include those issues as part of its plot?

[–] StillPaisleyCat@startrek.website 4 points 1 year ago

It doesn’t seem like you’ve read any She-Hulk comics.

The show is the most comic-accurate Marvel TV series ever. It leans heavily on both Slott and original Byrne runs - written by men but definitely heavily leaning into the sexism experienced by the character, not to mention breaking the fourth wall before Deadpool.

You may have your views, but please let them be informed.

[–] STUPIDVIPGUY@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

"shoe-horned" + "woke" used unironically kind of invalidates any point you're trying to make

[–] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The problem with "shoehorned diversity" is that.. there's no "reason" for minorities to exist in real life, they just are. So if a character happens to be anything other than a white cishet man, is that shoehorned in, or a reflection of reality?

The truth is that shows are far less diverse by default than they should be. I don't exactly know what diversity it is you are talking about in she-hulk, as I couldn't find any exceptional amounts of it, but according to Gallup, 19.7% of Gen Z identify with an LGBT label, which means in a show that has 10 gen Z characters, two of them "should" be queer, with one of them being bisexual as bisexual people are 13.1% of Gen Z. But it's rare you even see a queer person in media at all.