Hi everyone,
First of all, thanks so much for everyone using Avelon and everyone who've decided to support the development by upgrading, it really means a lot! All the feedback in the post following the release of pro was definitely insightful. If you're unaware, I recommend reading the post as well as my reply here.
I've decided to push towards a 1.0.7 release a bit earlier than planned to address everyone's feedback. My goal with these changes is to provide a wider range of features in a more basic free variant, whilst offering more extensive customization options and an even better experience as an optional upgrade. This way everyone gets to try out more stuff for free, and if you want the full capabilities you can feel confident that the features work as you'd expect. This setup is more in line with other apps as well as the feedback from all of you.
In addition to tweaks to the free tier, the update contains a new text selection tool, a new dark theme, the ability to lock the app with FaceID, more filtering options + lots of QOL improvements and bug fixes.
Full Changelog
Adjustments to the free/pro tiers
- Added a basic jump button to the free version
- The smart jump button with extra settings and customisation remains pro
- Everyone now has access to a limited number of custom filters for free
- The pro version includes unlimited filters and new filtering options
- The maximum number of profiles in the free tier is now three (guest + 2 custom accounts)
- This change does not affect any accounts you've already added
- The pro version has unlimited accounts
- Added a free 7 day trial option to enable everyone test out the pro features
- Added various descriptions to pro settings to more clearly explain what they do
- Replaced the groups “pro” tag in subscriptions with a link to a more details about the feature
New pro features
- Added ability to lock the app with FaceID
- Added new dark theme ‘Hacker man’
- Added option to place the smart jump button anywhere, not just around the edges
- Added ability to filter independently on either the post title or post body
New features, QOL improvements and bug fixes
- Added tool to select text from comments & posts
- Added ability to delete your own posts
- Added share option to links and comments
- Improved prioritizations for swipe gestures
- This should prevent accidental downvotes when you’re trying to swipe back!
- Fixed issue where editing markdown links would sometimes show weird characters and symbols
- Limited the maximum number of smart link previews in posts
- This should keep “link aggregation” posts from being unnecessarily long
- Fixed issue where adding accounts would sometimes fail
- Fixed issue where swipe-to-go-forward could sometimes break after tapping the navbar to go back
- Removed option to report/block yourself
- Lots of minor bug fixes and improvements
I’m happy you put the FaceID lock in but immensely disappointed in the fact you put everything (literally everything) behind A Paywall.
I understand that €2/month isn’t much, however - the fact that every small thing goes into an paywall, doesn’t show me personally any good.
Last time, I saw the Lifetime option was €30-35 (can’t see prices in TestFlight version anymore) while the app is great but not yet bug-free.
It makes me worry that there will be “another tier” later on which costs more to get the newer features and so on.
My opinion (for what’s worth it): Your app is great and at the moment the best out there but due to paywall on literally every feature. Less good.
I sympathize on the “at the moment” because Memmy is back on track with development and so is Voyager which are currently free with different features but possible getting similar features later on while maintaining being free.
Good luck though!
IMO the most important thing by far is making the core app experience as solid as possible. Things like post feeds, comment sections, posting, sharing, image viewers, inboxes, replying, editing, text selection, user profiles, swipe gestures, searching, font settings, sorting options, display options, hiding read posts and everything else you'd expect takes a lot of time to develop, maintain and polish. The vast majority of my development time is spent on improvements, bug fixes and new features for everyone, and I really do care a lot about creating a great experience that can help improving Lemmy overall. Offering some more niche nice-to-have features on top of that is a good way to support everything else.
I'm not going to add a higher tier - as I briefly mentioned in an earlier comment my goal is rather the opposite. If Lemmy keeps growing, Avelon Pro could at some point make sense as a $5-or-something one-time upgrade. Unfortunately that's just not the case right now.
That’s a lot of worries for not a lot of reason. Honestly, the dev needs to be supported and new features is a pretty industry standard method of generating an income. Aside from that, you’re literally seeing the dev move features out of the paywall, so it seems weird to be worried about some weird dystopian future in a thread about moving away from exactly that.
Perhaps might not be for you but it is for me. This is quite much the standard formula, paywall everything and a while later put new tiers for more income-streams.
I understand he needs support but this a not-so-friendly way (in a friendly way of saying).
Certainly he might change things from paywall to free but the actual features people want (for example; I requested FaceID) - it gets put behind paywall.
What’s weird for one might not be weird for someone else. Perspective.
Yeah, considering how basic some of these features are it's kind of shitty and probably the price will rise again
Considering Apollo raised the price because even with all those subscribers they couldn’t break even (there was a lot of hate in the Apollo reddit when that happened) I’d say prices are likely to go up not down.
What do you mean when you say that literally everything is behind a paywall? The core features are accessible for free.
I’ve moved to Avalon from Memmy, which itself is a great app and the one that spoke to me most when I made the mid year decision to largely cut my Reddit usage. It’s a great app particularly for free.
That said, we probably can’t talk about Memmy in this context without noting the almost two month absence of any updates for the app, which is only early in its life, due to the developers citing burnout. There’s certainly got to be some questions about sustainability for those guys when they have to also carry jobs etc and Memmy for all intents is a hobby for them.
Now maybe the apps in a place where you feel going a few months without updates doesn’t matter, that’s fine. At the same time it’s possible that a revenue stream of some sort would allow the devs to prioritise work on the app over other things. I don’t imagine Lemmy yet has the user base to sustain a developer full time on the single app alone, but having some income from the app may none the less assist greatly. People have even asked the Memmy team to consider adding paid tiers in recognition of some of the issues.
None of that is to say that I didn’t do a double take when I saw the price of Avalon, and did give it a second thought. It’s a decent price commitment, I agree. Apps that are paid for could also be abandoned too which is a risk. At the same time I have noticed a number of the Lemmy apps have had growing pains, burnout issues for devs etc, so while there are good free options out there in the longer term in many cases that may not be sustainable, and there is a place for paid apps particularly where that can contribute to the apps ongoing development.
Do you understand what literally means?
The free tier is just fine. You don’t have to pay for pro features if you don’t want to and it’s still streets ahead of other Lemmy apps.
Yes, I do and I certainly won’t pay because - I don’t find Lemmy itself worth the money at the moment.
Avelon is great surely however “streets ahead” is a matter of perspective, I like the app that’s for sure.