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[–] jasory@programming.dev -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"We'd consider it cruel if an animal where in the same situation"

Mercy killing animals isn't an actual thing, they can't possibly consent. The reality is that we kill animals at will for basically any reason, so we have no problem lying to ourselves that we are performing a mercy killing.

[–] PetDinosaurs@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You are making no sense.

I have pet ducks.

Most recently one had a problem with bone loss in its femoral head. It couldn't walk much at all and was getting further injuries because of that. The other ducks would also leave it behind. Being alone is very stressful for a duck.

You can't do a hip replacement on a duck. They wouldn't understand or be able to recover. In any case, she'd easily get picked off by a daytime predator. Eaten alive.

You better believe that euthanasia was the best course of action for her.

[–] jasory@programming.dev -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So you read the duck's mind? Do you think the duck even has a conception of what death is? According to you it wouldn't even understand a hip replacement. Why are you assuming that it therefore wishes for death?

Anyway the point of this is that killing the duck is permissible because killing ducks is always permissible. The delusion that you are making the best decision for it is impossible to know. And more importantly it is completely irrelevant to the permissibility of killing humans.

The criteria by which we are able to kill mentally incapable animals (species membership or even low mental ability) is not the same by which we can argue for assisted suicide. Because humans and ducks are radically different objects with different inherent moral valuations.

Additionally consider that your comparison is morally relevant. If it is permissible to mercy kill ducks based solely on presentation, without being able to determine the ducks desires. Then it follows that we can kill humans based on presentation alone as long as we don't know there desires. Even worse if we undermine the validity of there expression of desire it is permissible to kill them anyway.

"Look this paraplegic wants to live, they must be delusional who would want live like that, time to get the MAID".

Even stupid films like Million Dollar Baby, embed the perception that disabled people just want to die.

As much as people want to be nice and give people whatever they want, it is without question that as soon as you permit others to actively kill other people, it's going to be open to abuse and severe ethical consequences. The history of MAID is a fine example of that, it's expansion was actually made by a court decision to make the law more consistent. True logical consistency would naturally follow to permit assisting suicide in all cases, after all why are we discriminating against people with very temporary conditions. Clearly they are just as capable of experiencing suffering as any other person.

[–] PetDinosaurs@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This place is full of raving lunatics.

I'm not used to a world where left wing thoughts are this stupid and ill informed. That's the realm of right wing media, ime.

You're not even acknowledging any of my argument.

It's so fucking weird.