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[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Don’t feel embarrassed. Nations are social constructs and just lines on a map.

[–] stellargmite@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Its not just embarrassment we should feel. Arbitrary constructs are still capable of creating massive unneccessary human tragedy, repeatedly.

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Even nihilism teachs that no structures are permanent, not that none are important or have impact for a time

[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You could say that about a lot of things, but that doesnt make them any less real.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It makes them, not real. We allow nations. We could easily create a world without nations and borders. Dare to dream.

[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sure! Its just a point about semantics. Apples and planes and tables and chairs are all constructs, but theyre also very real. Just like nations, borders and ideas.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Material versus immaterial. A chair 🪑 is a material object. It’s physical. Nations and borders are ideas that have no physical material. If I walk to the border if my “nation” there is no material dashed line representing the border. There’s a river. Intro to philosophy should be taught in schools.

[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This isnt a discussion about the materiality of things. Its about whether or not theyre real.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you can’t understand me, we can’t communicate.

[–] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I guess not, but im willing to try to understand you, if you can explain to me what the issue is. I guess you believe materiality = reality? Thats fine, but you can't impose that belief on others. Or am I completely off-base here?

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

You are venturing into philosophy. Specifically physicalism. But the concept as related to social constructs, flows into materialism versus idealism. Good luck. These are heady concepts, but exciting to explore.