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The 12-year-old Israeli girl whose “Harry Potter”-inspired photo went viral after she was kidnapped by Hamas has been found dead alongside her grandmother in Gaza.

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[–] avater@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Why are you guys never coming up with a source that shows the opposite? Who started this war in your opinion? Was it Egypt, Syria, Transjordan, Iraq, Yemen, Morocco, Saudi Arabia and Sudan? Because they sure as shit startet a war one day after Israel was declared a state in this region.

On 14 May 1948, the day before the expiration of the British Mandate, David Ben-Gurion, the head of the Jewish Agency, declared "the establishment of a Jewish state in Eretz-Israel, to be known as the State of Israel."[167][168] The only reference in the text of the Declaration to the borders of the new state is the use of the term Eretz-Israel ("Land of Israel").[169] The following day, the armies of four Arab countries—Egypt, Syria, Transjordan and Iraq—entered into parts of what had been British Mandatory Palestine, launching the 1948 Arab–Israeli War;[170][171][172] contingents from Yemen, Morocco, Saudi Arabia and Sudan joined the war.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel

And this pretty much looks like Israel likely did not start this war or this conflict and had to fight for their existence from day one. I'm not saying that everything they're doing is acceptable or that they are not fueling this war too, but I pretty much understand that they are in a life or death situation since from the very beginning.

And to all possible Downvoters: instead of just downvoting me, please try to explain the issues with my conclusion or come up with some other sources if I missed something.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Try rereading history from a non-western perspective so you can put yourself in a Palestinian’s shoes. As Israel was established, hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were expelled against their will. Villages were massacred and burned. Source. Why does it matter who started the war? Israel, as it was established, should have never happened the way it did. A minority population should never be given more land than the majority. Jews could have been given land in Palestine and coexisted, but the west and the UN were hellbent on creating a state of Israel.

[–] avater@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

But they did create the state and Israel exists and part of the Nakba happend also after the war that took more land of them because Israel won, what I find quite understandable.

And I would also say that they all had enough time to fucking accept it and move on, most certainly better then to throw generations in war about the Middle East...

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

That was a ramble.

[–] DingDongBell@lemm.ee -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

pro hamas ppl will downvote you. people have already taken their stance

[–] kurwa@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Who is pro hamas? No one is. However people are anti-genocide, mainly the Palestinian genocide happening right now. Sane people just want peace.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If you want peace, talk to Hamas. They started this war. If they surrender to Israeli authorities, the war will end.

[–] kurwa@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Then why did Palestinians die in West Bank? Where there is no Hamas? The Israeli government is blaming all Palestinians and won't stop even if they surrendered.

[–] Cleverdawny@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are militant groups in the West Bank which have been participating in hostilities.

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Gee, you’re interminable. I hope you’re trolling, otherwise I feel sorry for how misinformed you are. Uncle Cletus may not be the best person to get info about Palestinian history.