Was Israel cracking down on Hamas 16 years ago when there were open fights between Hamas and Palestinians fighting against them? Or were they sitting on the sideline gloating and watching Palestinians fighting other Palestinians until Hamas controlled Gaza?

Was Isreal cracking down on Hamas in Gaza in the last decade? Or were they just using Hamas as an excuse to kill civilians and to argue that the National Authority obviously doesn't speak for all Palestinians, so there is no need to talk to them or work for peaceful solution?

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Why should it have been Israel's job to stop a civil war that's happening in a non-Israeli controlled territory?

Clearly Hamas has significant support among Palestinians.

"In the poll, 53% of the 1,200 Palestinians surveyed said they believed Hamas is "most deserving of representing and leading the Palestinian people." https://www.npr.org/2023/10/12/1204881032/hamas-israel-attack-palestinians

Palestinians want revenge more than they want peace and so do the Israelis, nothing will change about this situation until both sides choose differently. Sucks for all the people who do want peace, but the people perpetuating this are significant groups of people, not simply fringe elements on each side.

[–] Ooops@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Why should it have been Israel’s job to stop a civil war that’s happening in a non-Israeli controlled territory?

But that's the point: It happened in Israeli-controlled territory. They did nothing for a decade after 1993 while de facto still occupying the areas with no change in sight, then wondered why the National Authority lost support in the population and then still couldn't bring themselved to support that peaceful government cooperating with them over radicals bent on destroying Israel.

That's the level of priority peace actually had for Israel. They created Hamas support in the first place by a decade of governing the status quo when the plan should have been to gradually work for more autonomy for Palestinians and peaceful co-existence, then they indirectly supported Hamas by using them for even more excuses to not move on with the planned peace process and now they pretend they have no other choice but killing Palestinians to root out Hamas. When in reality they had a lot of choices for 30 years. And chose the route of escalation every single time.

[–] BlameThePeacock@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Israel doesn't really claim Gaza as their own territory. Other countries say they're responsible, but they don't even try to operate there.

Like I said earlier, both groups are happy to keep trying to exterminate each other. Palestinians are not innocent civilians, and neither are the Israelis. They have majority support for the fighting to continue.