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It looks like instead of pinging carelessness, we will soon be keeping people to the speed limit.

With the reducing of speed limits being pulled, at least this will give another way to reduce the impact of crashes.

Unlike the comment on reddit saying this won't reduce crashes, I'm going to point out that it's not designed to. Road to zero is about recognising crashes will happen, this move is about reducing the damage when crashes inevitably occur.

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[–] gardner@lemmy.nz 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

From a privacy perspective, I don't like this. From a road safety perspective, it sounds like it might not be as effective as they claim:

And Ministry of Transport research from 2017 found 85 per cent of the road toll occurred below the speed limit.

Matthew-Wilson said speed cameras, even the new point-to-point cameras, would not lower the road toll.

He said speed alone was a factor in just 15 per cent of fatal crashes, adding there is a minority of people who would speed no matter what, and they were the ones who were involved in speed-related crashes.

"Speed cameras seem like a magic solution, but they're not: they alienate ordinary motorists without affecting the behaviour of the tiny minority who cause most fatal crashes," he said.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/103868986/new-speed-cameras-wont-stop-the-idiots-risk-privacy

[–] deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz 5 points 1 year ago

A collision at a lower speed is less severe: simple as that.

A less severe collision lowers the chance of a fatality and lowers the severity of other injuries.

Arguing that an imperfect (or partially effective) measure shouldn't be implemented is disingenuous.

[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That ignores that they are specifically targetting the highest risk roads, which would likely increase the likelihood of being in that 15%.

[–] liv@lemmy.nz 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

15% is 1 in 6.

Seems like a 1 in 6 reduction would be a great thing.

[–] liv@lemmy.nz 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't really understand this Matthew-Wilson guy's argument:

"Speed cameras seem like a magic solution, but they're not: they alienate ordinary motorists without affecting the behaviour of the tiny minority who cause most fatal crashes," he said. "The sad fact is: the idiots who cause most fatal accidents tend to ignore speed limits anyway." A 2009 AA analysis of fatal accidents found these crashes were caused by "people who don't care about any kind of rules. These are men who speed, drink, don't wear safety belts, have no valid licence or WoF – who are basically renegades."

And then he says

Matthew-Wilson said he favoured speed advisory signs, which simply show motorists what speed they're doing, without issuing a ticket.

"The fact is, most drivers will slow down if you remind them that they're going too fast."

So he's saying people obey road signs, and speeding is only really done by these special outlaw people who dgaf about anything we do so there's no point in even trying?

I kind of wonder what he's basing this theory on.

He cites that study from 16 years ago but if they are able to categorize these people then surely catching them and taking them off the roads would be a good idea?

[–] Nath@aussie.zone 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Matthew is a lead-foot and doesn't want to change, because he is 'a safe driver' who always 'drives to the conditions'. He knows that speed limits are set 'for the people with the worst reaction times' and an accident 'will never happen to him' because he is a great driver.

Source:
I was Matthew when I was 19. Whether we want to admit it or not, a lot of us were. There are good reasons why insurance is more expensive for drivers that age.

[–] liv@lemmy.nz 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I remember LTSA ran a campaign about that back in the 2000s. One stat that stood out to me was that over half of people estimate that they themselves are an "above average" driver...