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Open source intelligence suggests rocket was launched by Palestinian group, backing up Israel's claims
(www.telegraph.co.uk)
this post was submitted on 18 Oct 2023
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While I can't take Hamas' word at face value, I also can't forget that many people who are not Israeli have a vested interest in spreading misinformation. Why did Israel change it's story so many times immediately following? Can IDF not launch missiles from inside Gaza? The article mentions this ordinance has been used by Hamas before, when? How is Hamas able to smuggle missiles into Gaza, which has been described as a locked down prison with hundreds of checkpoints?
This is an incredible claim and I expect incredible proof.
My man, this current conflict started with Hamas launching ~2,500 missiles at Israel. Israel famously has the Iron Dome system to shoot down the missiles that have been coming from Gaza, the West Bank, and Lebanon for years. It is not at all an incredible claim that Hamas and other anti-Israel groups in Palestine have missiles; it's well-proven fact. Here's an info-graphic of the different types of missiles Hamas was known to have as of 2021.
The iron dome doesn't extend into Gaza right? So it wasn't a rocket interception?
Thanks friend, you're a good fella. I understand the Iron Dome is a rocket defense system, there's just a difference between missiles and rockets.
Not sure why you added “there’s just a difference between missiles and rockets”. There is a difference, but is not particularly relevant here. Many people mix up these terms anyway: the post you replied to mentions missiles but Hamas, as per linked graphic, probably only has rockets. It may matter to the iron dome system, as that relies on a predictable path of a rocket to decide what to target.
I added it because they are different. All news sources I saw said it was a missile that hit the hospital. It is reasonable to think that journalists will use the words that they mean. When a truck crashes into a building, I wouldn't look at people who only have cars for the culprit.
Do you really think most journalists will know the difference, or think it matters?
Besides, guided munitions are frequently referred to as "rocket artillery" even by the military.
my man, we literally saw them firing thousands of rockets into Israel, but this one is somehow unbelievable?
there are huge tunnel systems under gaza...its quite crazy.
Fuck the IDF and fuck Hamas but there isn’t anything incredible about it besides the fact that you don’t seem to like it
I have not seen Israel change it's story, do you have a source for that
First they blamed Hamas. Then they posted a video from 2022. Then they posted a video with a wrong timestamp (even though it was live). There were probably more but these are what came to mind.
I hate this breaking news armsrace because it is a breeding place for fake news, especially on social media platforms like the cesspool twitter.
I rely on two news stations a German one, mandatory founded by German citizens (so no investments and ideology from other sources needed) and Reuters. And if a news is on both and without the "not independently verified" label I believe and maybe share it.
It's wild to me how "jet fire can't melt steel beams" persisted as a myth. Several engineering fields know that a material's strength goes down at higher temperatures.
It's indeed true: Jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams, it just turns them into wet noodles.
The media companies LOVE it!!!!
https://fair.org/home/trump-bad-for-america-good-for-cbs/
While that is in regards to the orange piece of shit in America, it 100% applies to this news arms race as you call it.
They see the opportunity for money, who needs anything else once you’re first out the gate? Offer any contracts or don’t based on new evidence, it truly doesn’t matter once they get their clicks
It's important to clarify who is making those claims. Often it's some rando or someone with no credentials to be making the claim.
Who downvotes people for asking for sources, pathetic
These are a few: https://twitter.com/MarkKersten/status/1714367614162702612, but they are saved all over if you don't trust this random dude.
Do some more research. Check who that rando is. I debunked this tweet in like 20 seconds earlier in this thread
Because their psyop instinct jumped the gun without double-checking whether they actually hit any target even in the rough vicinity. Imagine a bunch of neck-bearded shitposters in uniform salivating over their keyboards, then brass storming in saying "stop that it wasn't us, this time".