Bit of an ouch for Victoria, likely going to prevent other states from doing a similar thing (NSW was about to implement one as well) So this would now mean a EV road user tax will need to be done by the Fed

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[–] Nath@aussie.zone 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The fuel excise is already sort-of meant to be a tax on km driven. Buy more fuel, pay more tax. So I can see where the government is coming from.

But yeah, I also think we need to make low emission vehicles more attractive. The upfront cost prices out too many prospective buyers. You basically need to also own your own home and have solar panels installed to really get the best out of them.

I wonder whether the people who drive the most statistically are the people who buy electric vehicles. I suspect they aren't.

[–] TheHolm@aussie.zone 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

This just another tax exempt for rich who can afford electric car. Electric cars are still luxury.

[–] naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 year ago

There are actually some pretty affordable Chinese models. Obvs pricey still but you know that's kinda how it goes at first.

We all benefit from cleaner air, and in general any tax hole can and should be filled with proper measures that don't retard shifts to better technologies. Stuff like land taxes, wealth taxes, better progressive income taxes etc.

[–] zurohki@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Are you thinking they'll always be luxury products? Like mobile phones, laptops and home internet connections were?

[–] TheHolm@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nope. Definitely not. But at this time they are.

[–] zurohki@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, but the tax wasn't an 'at this time' thing, it was a 'from now on' thing.

And as it made it's way down to the people who didn't have thousands of dollars cash on hand at all times, asking people to pay their year's road usage as a single lump sum was going to get more and more impractical.

Fuel tax works because you pay weekly, enforcement is simple and happens at the distribution level, and there's no real way to evade it. None of those things are true for an EV usage tax.

[–] abhibeckert@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

For typical driving habits, this tax worked out to about 80 cents per day. Or $300 per year...

Again, I think EVs should be subsidised not taxed, but this tax wasn't thousands of dollars.

Rego/insurance costs far more, and for me it makes perfect sense to report your kilometres driven each time you renew your rego and pay tax accordingly then (also, at least in some states you can pay rego and insurance monthly).

Enforcement would be easy enough - cops can just check your odometer when they do an RBT/etc.

[–] zurohki@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago

Odometer cheating is a thing.

You're putting the device doing the measuring in the hands of the people who have to pay money based on what it says.

I'm pretty confident there's already an app I can sideload onto my car to mess with the odometer.

Also, I haven't been pulled over or breath tested in more than 15 years.

[–] abhibeckert@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can buy a relatively recent model Nissan leaf in perfect condition for $10k.

[–] Tau@aussie.zone 2 points 1 year ago

Where? The cheapest one on Gumtree is $10.5k for a 2013 model with its max range apparently down to 98km. The cheapest on Carsales is $11k for a 2011 model (range down to 90km).

[–] w2qw@aussie.zone 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The fuel tax is at a federal level which is why it's allowed. We just need the federal government to eventually institute something or get states to collect it.