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Capitalism. Because money is more important than life.
We've looked at the data. It looks grim and concluded that it costs too much to avoid extinction.
Not that Soviet Union, Eastern European socialist states, China etc have been great for the environment.
That’s not true, but I don’t care to refute a talking point from 1991. Google it .
I don't know why you'd even bother to make a reply at that point
Just googled it. None of the top 10 countries are socialist.
What exactly did you google?
“It.” I googled it.
I expected nothing less
Lower your expectations. Then you’ll never be disappointed.
Would go into negatives in this case
Can’t go any lower than criticizing the one thing that can alleviate climate change, but it might be worth a try.
You've done a great job of convincing people with this totally useless conversation.
Maybe. But I did reiterate that socialism is the only political economy that stands a chance at dealing with climate change.
I just noted that so far the track record isn't great
Would you be willing to take minimum wage pay for the rest of your life if it meant you would save the earth a fraction of a percent?
If conservatives would get out of the way and actually allow a true minimum wage vs the punative wage they enforce now, there would be no shame in a minimum wage lifestyle whatsoever. Many, many people do not have ambitions beyond living a reasonably small life, in a small home, with an average family and a handful of friends, taking the occasional vacation, retiring, and dying someplace familiar. Some say it's sad, others say it's human nature, either way it's a reality people need to reckon with; because that's what a lot of people picture when they say "there's more to life than chasing money".
No, you are right. I wouldn't subject myself to more suffering to save the human race. This is only because I know the choice of extreme poverty versus destroying the environment is only relevant because a person, you, decided these were the only two choices possible. To explain differently when we all decide we'd rather just end civilization as we know it than changing the status quo, as an individual I'm just along for the ride.
Thank you. You are right, I am the arbiter of all pollution knowledge and I am giving you 2 choices. Option 1 is continue as is and hope choices are made for you. Option 2 is you do something about it and stop complaining. I dont know if becoming a hermit is the best option but if this cause matters to you, then you should lead by example.
This is where you got it all fucked up. You keep pointing the finger at normal people. Point the finger at people who have their hands on the levers. I sure as he'll can't wake up tomorrow and turn off the pollution machine but sure as shit there is 100% someone who can.
Tell me, who has their hands on the levers on these pollution machines. Calculating emissions for big businesses and making changes to their operations to reduce impact is actually my day job so if thats what you had in mind ill rationalize that.
But please humor me. Tell me how its big business and not the consumers.
I won't do your homework for you. https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sources-greenhouse-gas-emissions
Haha hoho
I don't know why you think talking to big business shill is somehow suppose to impress me...
Kinda deranged really...
You know what, i change my mind. I dont have anything to prove. You do you
Gladly. But I’m keeping my ‘effing bidet.
Yes.
Are you seriously saying that you wouldn’t consider taking a pay cut to save the world?
Truly what the fuck is wrong with you, you fucking asshole moron