this post was submitted on 15 Oct 2023
85 points (88.3% liked)

World News

39045 readers
2366 users here now

A community for discussing events around the World

Rules:

Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.


Lemmy World Partners

News !news@lemmy.world

Politics !politics@lemmy.world

World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world


Recommendations

For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
 

United States is rapidly increasing support to Israel. This assistance includes the deployment of warships and aircraft to the region, with a second carrier strike group dispatched from Virginia.

Special operations forces are aiding Israel in planning and intelligence, with the initial shipment of munitions already delivered.

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin is set to meet with Israeli leaders to discuss further aid. The U.S. is primarily focused on deterring potential regional conflicts, with a particular emphasis on Hezbollah and Iran.

The U.S. is also sending Navy ships, including aircraft carriers, which provide various capabilities, and has ordered additional warplanes for Middle East bases.

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] Why9@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Terrorist
noun
a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

Are the Israelis using violence and intimidation? Yes.

Are they using it against civilians? Yes.

Is it in pursuit of political aims? Absolutely.

Then by definition, Israel is a terrorist state.

[–] samokosik@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Obviously there will be some civil cases if there is a war. But again, the war would not be the case if Hamas (which is btw considered a terrorist organization by both EU and other states), didn't start a war.

How exactly is israel attacking civilians living in Gaza? Did they start shooting people in Gaza for no reason?

Is it Israel or Hamas who purposefully uses civilians as a shield and builds buildings for the army in the middle of inhibited zones?

[–] Why9@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Obviously there will be some civil cases if there is a war.

Then why is Hamas the only side being classified as a terrorist organisation? If Hamas does it, they're terrorists. If Israel does it, then "obviously there will be some civil cases because war!". Seriously?

But again, the war would not be the case if Hamas (which is btw considered a terrorist organization by both EU and other states), didn't start a war.

If Hamas didn't start it? Are you insane? How long does Israel keep taking land before people say enough?

Are they supposed to tolerate this bullshit forever?

How many children need to die before you start being realistic about what's happening here?

How exactly is israel attacking civilians living in Gaza? Did they start shooting people in Gaza for no reason?

Uhh, yes? For years and years! In the correct war, It's not exactly hard to find evidence of children being murdered.

They're bombing people on the safe routes they designated for civilians

And deliberately shot at medical services to let the injured civilians die..

There's so, so much more, including the use of white phosphorus, dropping 6000 bombs on densely populated residential zones with refugees, and gave a ridiculous order to evacuate that is a death sentence to the most vulnerable, and shut off water to starve civilians already fighting for their lives.

Make excuses for the above.

Is it Israel or Hamas who purposefully uses civilians as a shield and builds buildings for the army in the middle of inhibited zones?

That's your defense? Do I approve of Hamas? No. Of course not. But there's no way you can condemn Hamas' actions whilst condoning Israel's.

Hamas exists because one of the the most densely populated places on earth is also the world's largest open air prison in an apartheid state witnessing a genocide. Everyone fighting for Hamas was born into this hell and grew up seeing their homes taken or destroyed, their families murdered and any chance for peace squandered. Israel created Hamas, and is absolutely loving the current situation that has given them a free ticket to grab half of Gaza with the rest of the world's support.

And Egypt warned Israel of the attack. , confirmed by the US. You would think that there would be an extra strong line of defence by Israel at the time, but they were caught completely off guard. It just doesn't make sense unless they wanted it. And look at who benefits from this. Hamas gains nothing. Palestine gains nothing. Israel gains more land that they've been promising to take.

[–] samokosik@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago

Hamas is not a product of Israel. It’s the product of the fact that palestinian governments refused numerous proposals and chose the way of fighting and inhumane.

Unfortunately, at this point of time I don't see any solution other than one side destroying the other. This will hurt both palestinians and israelis