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Hamas tells Gaza City residents to stay put after Israel orders evacuation
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 13 Oct 2023
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Did you notice how the Gazan border in 1967 was the SE as it was in 2005? What did the map look like in 1990? Is the reason you didn't include that map is that it would have shown a return of land in the Gaza strip done so without a war by Israel to demonstrate that peace based on the 1967 borders could function. I also noticed your maps ignored the Sinai, another example of where Israel has shown a willingness to give up land for peace.
If there was a realistic shot that return land won in warfare would lead to lasting peace, Israel would do so.
I know we're all fighting but I think this guy has a point.
I'm pretty sure Israel and Palestine were closer to peace in 94 than they ever have been but then Zionists assassinated Rabin.
~~After that~~ Actually kinda the whole time the US and UK refused to work with Hamas and in 97 they declared Hamas a terrorist organization.
I mean Hamas clearly is a terrorist organization. How many raped corpses do they have to drag through the streets to prove it?
With the way people are salivating about Hamas slaughtering Jews, about 6 million I'd guess.
I feel bad for the Palestinians and the Israelis that have gotten sandwiched between two extremes. I wish I could do something for them but quite honestly, I doubt anything I could do would help.
Motherfucker, look at the maps. Hamas is the resistance. Israel is the attacking force that just said "this is my land now and if you don't like it I'm bombing you". You think that's right?
What would you do if someone entered your home, raped and killed your family, claimed it's their home now and then shot you when you tried to stop them? Would you still talk some shit about how trying to take your home back is terrorism?
Sheltered fuck.
Look at the map yourself you ignorant prick. Gaza has the 1967 borders. All of Palestine could have the 1967 borders; but Hamas has decided they're going to be absolutely horrible essentially all of the time.
"Resistance" isn't a justification for war crimes.
Idk, the chemical weapons and internal whistle blowing dont agree with your guess.
They care enough about peace to give land back in pursuit of it. There are multiple political parties in Israel. The ones that engineered the Gazan deal got voted in because the majority of Israeli's wanted to create a peace deal based on the 1967 borders. And the coalition they put together didn't have the political power to unilaterally do it all at once a after the PLA pulled out of the Oslo Accords. So, they hung their hat on establishing peace in the Gazan strip in a manner that could be a model for the establishment of peace across the region. In the same way that they dismantled settlements and returned oil installations in the Gazan strip to Egypt in search of lasting peace; they did the same to the Palestinians in the Strip.
But unlike Egypt, Gazans responded with neverending war.
No obviously not all 2.4 million civilians are Hamas. Hamas military might has been estimated at ~40k soldiers.
To control a 40k strong force you need structure. You need offices, training grounds, mess halls, barracks, weapons depots etc. Now Israel could attempt to "just bomb" those installations but, that approach has proven ineffective in the past as Hamas has built a lot of that infrastructure underground. So if you want to cripple Hamas' military you need to invade and collapse and clear out tunnel networks by hand.
Are legal under the rules of war. They're commonly used as tracer rounds and targeting rounds. So you might ID a target with a drown, drop a wp munition and let the drone loiter in the area while you try to hit the target with Artillery fire. This is especially effective because modern artillery munitions can course correct in flight based off an infrared (heat) signature and wp burns at like 800 degrees. So if you're goal is to destroy certain buildings in an urban area without leveling the whole urban area; you must use something like wp rounds.
Traditional artillery would leave the whole city bombed out. Take a look at some of the cities on the front line in the Ukraine War to see the effects of traditional artillery bombardments.
Your first link is behind a paywall. Your second is relatively indefensible. Cops harras people. I don't have a solution for it en-mass. If it comes out that "harras them journos" was an order that came from the top then I'd be pissed. That's not right.
I'd argue that they're clearly not attempting to turn the city into ruins. I did an analysis but with nukes you could turn the whole strip to ruins with just two. And with conventional tomahawks you could cause damage to 90% of the city cores of the three biggest cities with just 20 1kt tomahawks. It's clear they're not "firing for effect". They've got a list of targets in terms of buildings and installations and they're going after them to cripple Hamas'.
It's worked well for us. There's no terrorist group in the world that thinks about what it's going to do and says, "I'm gonna fuck with America." And quite frankly we need our way around the Middle East and overthrew a number of governments to make sure that message was clear.