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[–] FakinUpCountryDegen@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (81 children)

I mean... I'm a capitalist who doesn't defend billionaires and also doesn't feel left out... ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[–] gayhitler420@lemm.ee 8 points 11 months ago (11 children)

Are you though?

Do you own the means of production and employ people to operate it, paying them a fraction of the value their labor produces?

Are you able to live comfortably without working for the foreseeable future? Do you exert outsized control over municipal, regional and state government far beyond your “vote” if you live in a place that claims to be a democracy? Does that control come from your power over the means of production that you control?

Supporting a society controlled by the people described above does not make you a capitalist, being one of the people described above does.

[–] dafo@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I do not agree with you, gayhitler420. That sounds as polarized as US politics.

[–] UnverifiedAPK@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Does lemmy.ml/c/rimjob_steve exist yet?

Edit: nope :(

[–] pingveno@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Are you able to live comfortably without working for the foreseeable future?

I'm pretty sure that's just a strawman version of capitalism. Plenty of capitalists who had their life's work taken during a communist revolution and were at best told they could come back as a manager worked plenty hard. Didn't save them.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

No, capitalism is the system that creates this. Capitalists are the ones living comfortably at the top of their piles of money while we work to make them that money.

And yes being a capitalist didn't save them from having to work like everyone else, boohoo evil commulism.

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[–] huge_clock@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Right? There are pros and cons with every system. People disagree based on value judgements not based on misinterpretation of facts. People in their echo chambers will have you believe that everyone on the other side of the political spectrum all thinks the same way “the same people who say X also say Y!” Rarely is that the case. Most people are actually centrists who have their own independent beliefs on a wide range of topics.

[–] Eldritch@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (30 children)

Not everyone on my side of the political Spectrum thinks the same way. But if you are pro capitalist. You simply aren't thinking. Capital, markets, and currency. All existed before capitalism. The only thing capitalism did was justify the wealth and power of the wealthy and Powerful Beyond being simply born to wealthy powerful people. Now you get to be a wealthy powerful person by having capital. Which ironically just so happens to be most common among people born too powerful people. New boss same as the old boss. Funny how that works.

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