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[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 111 points 1 year ago (1 children)

“shunned” by their church

Take that as a compliment and move on.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 112 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Being shunned in Amish culture is VERY aggressive. You’re basically cut off from the community and family. You can’t get rides, you have to eat alone, etc. It’s pretty fucked up.

Mormons also have versions of this that are notoriously fucked up. Stay in line or lose contact with everyone you love.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 73 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yup. It sounds a lot like Scientology. Or pretty much every other cult/religion out there. LOL

If their way of life was so amazing, people would WANT to stay in it. Holding them hostage or else... just seems... less than ideal. 😵

[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Scientology literally has an illegal prison to throw you in.

[–] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wonder if Shelly Miscavige is there?

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Maybe her corpse...

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

To be fair, some religions are much more aggressive about burning bridges than others. If I piss off my Catholic family, I just get passive aggressive quips from my mother in law at Christmas. I can still see my family, go home to my wife, and still work in the city they reside in.

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's a short list of good cults that don't do this.

And here it is:

The Church of the SubGenius (Praise "Bob" Best one, clearly, but I'm biased as I'm ordained in it)

Discordianism (Hail Eris, our sister religion)

The First Church of the Last Laugh (I know I know but you know you never know, our other sister religion, praise St. Stupid)

Dudeism (practice as little as possible)

Flying Spaghetti Monsterism (Praise his noodly appendage)

The Universal Life Church (these guys actually give you the power to legally officiate weddings, unlike the others...for now...)

That's about it.

[–] kzhe@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Depending on if you mean Laveyan or The Temple of Set.

Laveyan "yeah forgot them,"

TOS, "no."

[–] kzhe@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm talking about the Satanic temple and not the church of Satan which is the Laveyan thing

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If not Church of Satan (LaVey) or Temple of Set (Michael Aquino), I may be unaware of the one you're talking about. It wouldn't surprise me to learn there are more sects of Satanism than even just these three, he's a popular character. Since I'm unaware of them I will withhold judgement personally in either direction, I don't have enough info to say whether or not they're one of the good ones so I can't confidently speak on that.

[–] kzhe@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

TST is wayyy more culturally significant and well known than CoS

[–] ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 1 year ago

Sure, idk what to tell you my dude, I'm not familiar. I'm more familiar with the one started in the 1970s (LaVayan) that everyone knows and the offshoot from Aquino.

[–] espentan@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago

A couple of decades ago I worked with an ex-mormon. Shunned by his family, his sister would still call to wish him merry Christmas etc.. I remember overhearing one of those calls; "merry Christmas sis, and tell mom and dad I'm very glad I'm not there".

[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] NewNewAccount@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

Yeah I’ve heard with Jehovas Witnesses it’s extreme. I haven’t heard the same about Mormons actually.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I feel so sad for JW kids. Not only are they growing up in a cult where they might die if they need a blood transfusion, they don't even get birthday parties or Christmas presents. The latter, especially if they go to public school as many do, must be really psychologically taxing on a small child when every other kid in school is having birthday parties and talking about what they got for Christmas. I got it a little bit because I'm Jewish and we didn't celebrate Christmas, so I definitely felt like an outcast at times. But at least I got Hanukkah presents and birthday parties and no one told me the world was going to end any day now (well, maybe by the Soviets nuking us, but that was a different anxiety).

[–] dan1101@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah my best friend was JW and it messed him up a bit. He got out of the church as soon as he could manage. I don't think it was terribly abusive or anything and there were some nice people in their church, but they were strict on the rules and shunning. His parents did sidestep the no Christmas/birthday restriction by celebrating their wedding anniversary and giving the kids presents on that occasion.

[–] Nahvi@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Technically all Christians have a version of this. Though even in "Bible Churches" it is usually tempered by the second bit below, and processes of repentance and whatnot.

9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister[c] but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.

12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”

I Corinthians 5

15 “If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

Matthew 18

As an aside, that Corinthians bit spells it out in plain-ass English that any "Christian" screaming at non-Christians about being gay, trans, or whatever either do not know their Bible or only use it when it supports the actions they already want to take.

As a second aside, it is kind of funny what one still remembers even after being out of the church for a couple decades.

[–] Haus@kbin.social 2 points 1 year ago
[–] KingOfNoobs@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago

The Mormons do not "have versions of this." Their official policy is quite the opposite. However, for many Mormons, their religion is their whole identity so when a family member chooses another lifestyle they are personally offended and can't find any way to relate to them anymore.