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Over 100 Israelis have died and more than 900 were injured after rockets were fired from Gaza by Hamas militants, Israeli officials said Saturday.

The Palestinian Health Ministry said 198 were killed in Gaza and at least 1,610 were injured Saturday in retaliatory attacks from Israel.

"We are at war. We will win," Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Saturday.

The Israeli Defense Forces earlier declared "a state of alert for war," according to a statement issued by the IDF.

"Over the past hour, the Hamas terrorist organization launched massive barrages of rockets from Gaza into Israel, and its terrorist operatives have infiltrated into Israel in a number of different locations in the south," the IDF said early Saturday.

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[–] Imotali@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They are terrorists. That's literally what they are. The fact that attacked an evil fascist state's city doesn't change that.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'm happy that everybody who kills people to terrify the rest into doing what they want are consistently called terrorists.

So both Hamas and the Israeli state.

As actual and clear acts of "killing people to terrify the rest do what they want", like bombing of hospitals, murdering of journalists and killing children throwing stones at the armored bulldozers razing their homes, all commited by one side, have consistently never been described as "terrorism" (even though they match the definition), it's a pretty good indication of the bias by a media outlet when they now describe the entirety of the military incursion from one side and all its participants as "terrorism" even though they refrained to call actual acts of "killing people to terrify the rest do what they want" from the other side as "acts of terror" and those who executed them as "terrorists".

The unbiased thing to do is to consistently describe all "attacks meant to incite terror for the purposed of making the rest do what you want" (such as Hamas' terrorists murdering people at a dance party, and Iraeli Army terrorists bombing hospitals and executing journalists and children) as "terror attacks" and those who executed them as "terrorists".

[–] Imotali@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Israel can't be called terrorism because terrorism must be—by definition—unlawful

the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

Emphasis mine.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

As Israel did their deeds outside internationally recognized Israeli territory - so outside the internationally recognized jurisdiction of their courts - hence were Israeli Law does not apply.

So those deeds were unlawful (no matter how much Israeli Law is rigged to say otherwise), and even by that twisted definition you selected of "terrorism" that defines it so that state-sponsered terror attacks on a nation's own soil do not count as "terrorism", Israel's military attacks on civilians anywhere outside the internationally recognized borders of Israel (so including Gaza) for the purpose of intimidating the population are still terrorism because the Law that does apply there says they're unlawful.

[–] Imotali@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wars are by definition lawful. Sorry you're wrong

It's also not a twisted definition. It's the literal dictionary definition that all countries use when defining terrorism.

And no, if war time acts were not lawful, all war is terrorism which it isn't so again you're wrong.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Sure, there is no such thing as the Geneva Convention and there are no such things as War Crimes and its all above board if the people controlling power in the country doing the deeds tell their parliamentarians to write down that "it's all legit!" in their own country's legislation.

[–] Imotali@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

War crimes are explicitly not terrorism by definition. If you need a basic high school education though there's hopefully a public school near you. This subject and topic is covered under civics.