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Is Latin America not important enough? How about Poland or Italy? There are even 20% of catholics in the USA. According to Wiki, there is 1.3 billion baptized Catholics worldwide - that's important enough to me. Do you really think major religions play no role on the political stage?
15% of the world's population is ~1.3b people. You don't need to quote the same stats back at me.
Where did I say anything about SA not being important? Equally, why fixate on SA if the pope has influenced so much politically in the rest of the world?
Also we're talking about Catholicism and the Pope, not other major religions. Stop moving the goalposts.
I'm still waiting for the answer to my question.
You say as they address your issue and name several Catholic majority countries where the opinions of the pope sway politics far more than you're accepting.
You're the one moving goalposts on them lol
Evidenced examples of that sway?
I'm still waiting.
Ok, abortion ban in Poland. Also the fight against lgbt in Poland - which is one reason why this news is really interesting. It can cause a divide among catholics, which can be desirable.
I appreciate you coming back with an answer, thank you.
I don't understand how the Pope directly influenced the abortion ban though - what actions did he take to influence it directly?
I'm not saying he influences politics directly, I'm saying he influences the way the vast population of worldwide catholics think. So the influence is indirect but major.
In case of Poland, I think the government feels like it's safe to go with such a radical policy because they know most of the population obliges the will of the church, which is anti-choice. The same goes for the lgbt discrimination. I think now that the pope started speaking a bit lgbt friendlier, the public opinion might start to be more divided, which will hopefully mean the topic will be less of a safe bet for populists.
Let me add that I too appreciate you discussing with me peacefully, I'm actually having quite a nice time, which is a rare experience when it comes to online politics.
I think we kind of agree and disagree. I think it's good that he can add influence where there is pliability in Catholics, as in Poland.
I still don't see his reach or influence being as big as say affecting meaningful and wide reaching political decisions in USA or Chinese politics though.
Yes, I agree with you that he doesn't have much influence on Chinese and USA politics, and I can see now that we both recognize there are many other places in the world that can be influenced by him significantly. We've actually reached a meaningful conclusion. This is what I imagine a civilised discussion between two reasonable people to be like. Thank you for this positive experience.