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Can someone explain the meme? I'm a little slow.
Human embryos (and probably others) start out female, and grow the male parts a fee weeks later. There is probably someone lurking who can give better details but that's the gist of it. Thats why men have nipples.
And a scrotum seam
And my axe!
Omg is my seam meant to be a...
That’s right, you have a scrotussy.
Your penis is an enlarged clitoris and your testicles are ovaries that fell out.
Not if i have something to say about it and i do! I will undergo gender confirmation surgery to fix that!
Based
And estrogen pilled
You pretty much nailed it.
Also, it gets much more complicated than that; at least 2% of humans are intersex, meaning they’re a mix of male and female, everywhere from outward presentation (rare) to chromosomal (more common).
It’s not just gender that’s a spectrum: sex is, too. I said ‘at least’ because it’s possible for people to go their whole lives without realising they’re intersex. 2% is huge: if you know 100 people, statistically 2 of them are intersex. Most of us know more than that.
The ‘only two genders’ thing is biologically bullshit. Biology is never cut and dried.
eta: for reference, I have a disorder that’s been in the spotlight lately – Ehlers-Danlos – and you’ve probably at least heard of it. You’ve likely talked to someone who has it recently. It occurs in 1 in 20,000 people. Again, roughly 1 in 50 have intersex traits. I wish this had the visibility it deserves. It’s exceedingly normal.
Yeah the Y chromosome doesn't kick in until later in fetal development.
There's actually a surprisingly small amount of biological information stored on the Y chromosome, IIRC the vast majority lies on the X.
There's only around 700 genes in the Y chromosome, with only about 70 actually making proteins. Compare the X chromosome with about 800 protein-coding genes and 20-25,000 total genes.
About the nipples. You’re right in that we all get them by default. As I understand it the only reason males keep them is because evolutionarily it would take more energy to remove them than keep them. Basically we’re all slackers at the genetic level.
Awesome! Thanks for explaining.
The He-Man series back in the 80s always ended with little moral quips, so this is mimicking that.
The fact is that all fetuses start off assuming female, and then the presence of certain chromosomes trigger male anatomy.
Hence all males being trans if life starts at conception, as at X week development shifts to generate the male oriented organs.
At least that's my understanding of this meme...
well, the presence of certain hormones that are usually regulated by some genes on certain chromosomes
Good point, thanks for the correction there!
And the reception of those hormones, which may not exist or may not be functional for some people.
Turns out making beings out of trillions of cells of 100s of types (all of which have basically the same 3 or 6 billion base pair genome, yet have to act very differently) is complicated and any process has many steps, which involve various genes, receptors, signals, etc, all of which could be interrupted.
Thanks for the explanation! That makes more sense.
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Fetuses all start as female.
Basically, testosterone is one hell of a drug.
Being trans is about gender identity. This meme makes no sense
Only if you're trying to say they didn't have a gender identity yet as fetuses. That's why it's a meme and obviously a joke. Otherwise it makes an interesting point about how silly it is for cis people to base gender on body parts.
correction: 8 days later, I am editing to state I have since learned biological sex is actually undifferentiated in the first weeks of a pregnancy. This is NOT the same as being intersex, but I think an intersex individual would probably have the best perspective to weigh in on whether the joke in the meme still makes sense, due to overlap in the issues it raises. To my knowledge, I am not intersex, so I'll shut up now.
All cis gendered men are trans would be more correct.
Cis and trans are mutually exclusive
Edit: why am I getting piled on for this? Cis and trans are literally defined as opposites.
Yes, but since every male person at birth was actually “a female” at conception, that means people who are fine growing up in a male body are actually trans and the ones who want reassignment are just trying to “change back” and are therefore cis (according to the logic in this meme).
Queering the cis trans binary!
Because you've missed the joke.
IF life begins at conception every one is biologically female because male organs grow much later.
Therefore anyone who is biologically male (by real life standards) and identifies as male is trans because they are actually biologically female IF life begins at conception.
Trans is about how your gender identity relates to their assigned gender. If life begins at conception and you assigned gender at that point, everyone should be assigned female. Anyone who identifies as a man would have a gender that doesn't match their assigned gender and therefore would be trans.